Dear Marsha --
Greetings Ham,
I am unsure how to understand the portion of the post addressed to me.
For me, the MoQ is Quality(unpatterned experience/patterned experience).
Static quality represents the conventional; patterns are "conventionally"
real.
No nihilism.
You say Quality consists of "unpatterned experience" and "patterned
experience".
What is "unpatterned" experience and how is it experienced? As I understand
the MoQ, it is Dynamic Quality which is undefinable because it cannot be
experienced.
Surely you must realize that ALL experience is "patterned", since it is the
configuration or form of the object that makes it experienceable in the
first place. So, unless you define abstract thoughts or emotional feelings
as experience, "pure, undifferentiated Quality" is an insensible euphemism.
There is no epistemological justification for non-realizable experience.
Which is to say, there is no such thing as Quality or Value or Morality or
Virtue in itself, independent of relational apprehension.
You are perpetrating a fallacy conjured up by Pirsig. Although I've
repeatedly stated that "unrealized value" is an oxymoron, it seems to have
fallen on deaf ears. Existential (i.e., objective) reality may be
considered qualitative or valuistic only to the extent that it is
consciously experienced in relation to what is not. Again, it is the
sensible agent which is the (valuistic) measure of all things.
On 7/29 I said: It is the conscious Self which brings Value into being.
You replied::
It is static value that brings into existence the Self.
I am not rejecting this convention; it is what it is.
You may call that assertion a "convention" -- sure, it's RMP's convention --
but it makes no sense by the epistemology I've laid out above.
You also insist there is no quandary in your ontology. Yet when you take
the position that you neither accept nor reject Free Will, that your self is
only a convention, and that your reality is but "a collection of
ever-changing, interrelated, impermanent, static patterns of inorganic,
biological, social and intellectual value in a field of Dynamic Quality,
there is NO locus of control," it's obvious to me that you are a walking
quandary in need of some rational structuring to release you from your cloud
of unreality.
There is more to life than this. Get REAL, girl!
--Ham
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