Ron: The sophists as rationalists? That's hard to believe. Plato is considered to be the father of rationalism. You seem to be claiming the opposite of what Pirsig said and I never ran into anyone who disagreed with him. I'm skeptical ... but I am also quite curious. Could you dish up some specifics, some excepts or something?
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 10:26:48 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MD] The trouble with Sophists > > In "Sophist" by Plato the visitor from Elea seems to make similar assertions > about the Sophist as RMP makes against modern academia. The visitor asserts > to Theatus that the sophist reify concepts and sell them as the experiences > they > represent he also criticizes their use of rhetoric as rationalized arguements > not > grounded in empirical experience. > This is pretty much the same arguement raised in "Phaedrus" in which > Socrates > tries to persuade Phaedrus that an empirically grounded oratory is superior > and > best precedes any rhetoricaly persuasive arguement. In effect the Sophist is > being > > branded a rationalist. > > It is also interesting to note how Socrates use of Elanchus is illustrated as > the effort > to understand a concept or situation plurally and relationally in a radically > empirical > manner. > > a good read. > > .. > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
