On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Arlo Bensinger <[email protected]> wrote: > [DMB] > I mean we cannot rightly say that "all actions are moral and some actions > are downright immoral". > > [Arlo] > Patterns only become "immoral" in contrast/context to/with other patterns. A > "virus" does not act immorally, the immorality derives from the perspective > of the higher pattern with which it is in conflict. > > So, I'd disagree, all patterns are ipso facto moral patterns but in a > contextual milieu of conflicting/constrasting/competing patterns, judgements > about "immorality" are formed. > > "Immorality", then, is a judgement derived from conflicting moral patterns > (and moral levels, within a MOQ), a statement about which moral pattern > should triumph in that conflict. > > Victorian social morals, for example, are social moral patterns. But when > they seek to dominate (are in conflict with) intellectual moral patterns, we > can (using a MOQ) say that it would be immoral for those social patterns to > dominate (triumph) over the intellectual patterns they are in conflict with.
Steve: I think there is frequently a lot of ambiguity in Pirsig's uses of the term Quality as either (1) a specific evaluation where something is deemed to be good (perhaps e.g. Lila has Quality) or as (2) the evaluative "stuff" that comprises all of reality (i.e. Quality has Lila). The second usage applies to patterns of value. This is where you seem to say that they all are good. I agree in the sense that a pattern of value is the habit of some "thing" to prefer some other "thing" (where these "things" are also patterns of patterns of patterns of Quality). But this preference is also a preference to avoid something or at least to choose one thing over another. This notion then includes the notion of low quality as in the amoeba moving away from the acid or hopping off the hot stove. It says "it's better over there" but the negative side of that valuation is "it's worse here." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
