Hi Craig

I said that:

".. the real Value (interest) for the dialogue in ANY assertion lies in what is 
NOT asserted." 

Some people here try to discuss or define in vain what is in the hole, i e "how 
it could be better". 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAfCQ-t7xY0


Many threads here are circulating like this song around and around. Henry 
doesn't seem to want to be responsible for the surrounding conditions. In that 
way he constantly search and find reasons to not being free to act.

A human being is represented in all four levels. 
1 We are a lump of atoms and molecules and you can not blame a person because 
of the behaviour of his chemical constitution. 
2 We are also a lump of biological structures, like cells and DNA. No one can 
be plead guilty for his biological structure like the color of his hair, skin 
or eyes. Nor if one is born as woman or as a man. 
3 All of us also belong to some kind of social structure. Still you can't sue 
someone because of his language, religion or supporting the ice hockey team of 
St .Petersburg.
4 Justice is always about free and conscĂ­ous individual choices. This is at the 
intellectual level. Many juridical cases are based upon wether or not the 
accused ought to understand the rightness of making certain choices. An 
entrepreneur for example is supposed to understand that he have to pay his 
vendors and inform the tax department about his net incomes. A driver is 
supposed to understand the difference between right and left. An owner of a gun 
is supposed to understand what is happening if he aim a loaded gun to somebody 
and pull the trigger.

Responsibility is based on an event in time with certain consequences that 
follows after that choice. Some where in the chain of events there is someone 
that had a free choice. Sometime there are no choice, like the number of 
fingers we have on our hands. In to some extent we are free and to some extent 
we are not free. 

19 year old Nisreen Mansour, one of Gaddafis female life guards was ordered to 
kill prisoners or she should be shot by her officer. Did she have a choice? 
Could she be plead responsible then? If you are prisoned or ordered by a 
military system you are not free. If there is a hole in the wall and you are 
not trying to escape through the hole then you are still free to stay but you 
are also by the possibility to escape put responsible for staying inside.


> 
> This version has completely ruined the old song.
> They have left out the central pun--the raison d'?tre of the entire 
> song--when they
> replaced 'whetstone' with 'stone'.  
> Craig

Well, in the version I remember with Harry Belafonte, Odetta Holmes say stone 
too:
http://youtu.be/yD-ffhvefsw  after 2:42 min

Jan-Anders
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