Steve said to dmb:
I can see how you would think you need to do that [give up on Steve] given the
embarrassing position you find yourself in. You've berated me for "improper use
of terms" while you've been found to have been defending compatiblism as the
exact opposite of what your beloved SEP defines it to be. You berated me for
months for asserting two mutually exclusive fundamentally conflicting ideas...
dmb says:
Thanks. That's a really great example. As usual, you're pressing a point that
has already been answered. Like I said, all you have to do is find the answer
and add the phrase "like I said" to front of it.
Like I said (at least twice):
...For anyone to maintain a compatibilist position, one has to use a softer
definition of "determinism", a version soft enough to allow for the freedom it
is supposedly compatible with. And, obviously, one has to use a softer version
precisely because it's logically impossible to say that freedom is compatible
with a total lack of freedom. That's the kind of nonsense I've been complaining
about throughout this debate.
What's worse is that Steve is willing to make this charge even though I made
this point already. Just yesterday, in fact, I said to Steve, "You're
describing compatibilism as a position that maintains two mutually exclusive
ideas at the same time. That is nonsense. By analogy, a thing can be warm but
it cannot be rightly described as hot and cold at the same time because one
rules out the other. It [compatibilism] says there are determining factors but
not to the exclusion of all freedom. It simply doesn't make any sense to say we
are 100% determined and also say that we are free. To be a compatibilist, you
cannot embrace determinism too. To be a compatibilist, you cannot deny freedom
but that's exactly what the determinist does."
Steve also said to dmb:
I'd hate to see you bail out now that we are making so much progress.
dmb says:
I would describe the amount of progress gained over the last six months as
exactly "zero". And you have just proven once again that you're just not
capable of listening. How many times have I repeated the point above, which
you're asking about as if it I haven't already said several times. Each time
you do that, it's just further proof that you are oblivious and delusional. And
you do that every single time.
Yawn!
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