Spot on JA Ian On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Jan-Anders Andersson <[email protected] > wrote:
> Hi Dave, Steve, Ian and others > > I know that I've said it before, but in the 17th century Thomas Hobbes > wrote: > > "For such is the nature of men, that howsoever they may acknowledge many > others to be more witty, or more eloquent, or more learned; Yet they will > hardly believe there be many so wise as themselves: For they see their own > wit at hand, and other mens at a distance." Leviathan ch XIII. > > Static pattern number MXMXCLMMCIIVV in the library of universe, dep of > human recurrent patterns. > > Honest and respectful intellectual dialogue however, at the 4th level, > should be able to bridge over this kind of static dilemma. > > pass the ball > > Jan-Anders > > 28 sep 2011 kl. 13.48 Stev wrote: > > > Hi Ian, > > > > Ian: > >> I can see that dmb is the "target" of your conversation - and that there > is > >> a meta-topic here - your not-so-well-hidden agenda. > > > > Steve: > > I thought I was being explicit about the issue being the meta-topic with > dmb. > > > > Ian: > >> Do I "approve of" dmb's style of argumentation ? Well no - but his style > is > >> his style. In every exchange with you or him (or anyone else) I'm > looking > >> for the point - something to add to "progress" with understanding and > living > >> in the world. > >> > >> I can respond to EVERY question with "it depends what you mean" - it > adds > >> nothing - it's an endless loop. > > > > > > Steve: > > Sure, you could do that, but at some point if you and your > > conversation partner are communicating well then both you and your > > interlocutor agree that you both understand what the other is saying > > about an issue even if you disagree about what we ought to conclude. > > At some point, "it depends what you mean" is unnecessary. It always > > depends, but at some point you understand one another. > > > > > > Ian: > >> And therefore I share dmb's frustration with you - make your point or > shut > >> the fuck up. > >> I just happen to have a different style ;-) > > > > Steve: > > I don't know what you could be asking for here (as I have responded > > several times, what is _your_ point?) if you are talking about the > > issue rather than the meta-issue. On the issue itself for the most > > part I have just been trying to defend myself against dmb's attacks. > > In that regard "my point" is that I am not a "hack" or "immune to > > logic" or "wildly incoherent" or "illogical" or a so-called "thinker" > > or simultaneously asserting mutually exclusive positions, etc. > > > > Best, > > Steve > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
