Steve to Craig: The MOQ says that Quality comes first which produces ideas which produce what we know as causality. It is common sense to presume that causality comes first and produces ideas. However, as if to further the confusion, the MOQ says that the idea that causality comes first is a high quality idea!
Andre: Hi Steve, Craig. The MOQ says nothing of the sort Steve. Why oh why do you cling to this static pattern called 'causation'? It is a typical term to explain processes in a mechanistic world conception a la Newton. Your variation on Annotation 67 is highly un-Moq-ish. The MOQ does not recognize causation. Or rather, it recognizes it but finds it a very poor term...a rather meaningless one. In fact it does nothing to assist anyone to see it as 'a tool for coping with reality' as you put it. The 'reality' of which SOM speaks is rather different from the reality to which the MOQ points. In the MOQ 'causation' is replaced by 'value'. "The only difference between causation and value is that the word 'cause' implies absolute certainty whereas the implied meaning of 'value' is one of preference...Therefore when you strike çause' from the language and substitute 'value' you are not only replacing an empirically meaningless term with a meaningful one; you are using a term that is more appropriate to actual observation". (LILA, p 107) Thing is Steve, you know all this. Why cling to this SOM intellectual pattern called 'causation', 'causality' or 'cause'? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
