Steve said to Andre:
Conspicuously absent from his talk about truth is the notion of adequate
correspondence with or representation of reality. dmb and I actually agree upon
that much. ...Having the wrong ideas doesn't take one out of reality.
..Concepts don't take one closer to or further from reality. ...The point is
that "not being in touch with DQ" can't be what is wrong with our concepts. ...
dmb quotes Pirsig to the contrary:
"A subject-object metaphysics presumes that this kind of Dynamic action without
thought is rare and ignores when possible. [Pirsig is referring to his hot
stove example.) But mystic learning goes in the opposite direction and tries to
hold on to the ongoing Dynamic edge of all EXPERIENCE, both positive and
negative, even the ongoing Dynamic edge of thought itself. Phaedrus thought
that of the two kinds of students, those who study only subject-object science
and those who study only meditative mysticism, it would be the mystic students
who would get off the stove first. The purpose of mystic meditation is not to
remove oneself from EXPERIENCE but to bring one's self CLOSER TO it by
eliminating stale, confusing, static, intellectual attachments of the past."
(LILA 116)
"The tests of truth are logical consistency, AGREEMENT WITH EXPERIENCE, and
economy of explanation. The Metaphysics of Quality satisfies these."
"What the MOQ would do is take this separate category, Quality, and show how it
contains within itself both subjects and objects. The MOQ would show how things
become enormously more coherent--fabulously more coherent--when you start with
an assumption that Quality is the primary EMPIRICAL reality of the world..."
"The MOQ not only passes the logical positivists' tests for meaningfulness, it
passes them the highest marks. The MOQ restates the EMPIRICAL basis of logical
positivism with more precision, more inclusiveness, more explanatory power than
it has previously had. It says that values are not outside of the EXPERIENCE
that logical positivism limits itself to. They are the essence of the
EXPERIENCE. Values are more EMPIRICAL, in fact, than subjects or objects."
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