Hi Marsha, I have an opinion on this ( what a surprise). In ZAMM Pirsig tries to explain why the conventional concept of truth may be leading us astray. Thus he brings in the concept of Quality. From that came MoQ, which is what this forum is about. Relativism flies in the face of MoQ, which is what dmb has been trying to explain.
These are basic MoQ premises. It does not make much sense to try to derail MoQ by reverting to Western ways. Truth being relative is misconstrued on two counts. Break your old habits and you may get on board the MoQ train, else wise you are sitting at the station watching it go by, and criticizing its color. Once you hop on, it is quite a ride! Got your ticket? Sent laboriously from an iPhone, Mark On Dec 27, 2011, at 10:45 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > I don't believe one needs to throw out the conventional use of the word > 'truth' just because truth is relative. I don't think relativism, > philosophically speaking, is a "dirty word" or a "term of abuse". Here is > the definition: > > --- > relativism > > noun Philosophy . > any theory holding that criteria of judgment are relative, varying with > individuals and their environments. > > (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/relativism). > --- > > Marsha: > Certainly there is nothing in this definition of relativism that would render > 'truth as relative' to be > useless. But let's look at the term 'relative'. > > --- > relative > > noun > 1. a person who is connected with another or others by blood or marriage. > 2. something having, or standing in, some relation to something else. > 3. something dependent upon external conditions for its specific nature, > size, etc. ( opposed to absolute). > 4. Grammar . a relative pronoun, adjective, or adverb. > > adjective > 5. considered in relation to something else; comparative: the relative merits > of democracy and monarchy. > 6. existing or having its specific nature only by relation to something else; > not absolute or independent: Happiness is relative. > 7. having relation or connection. > 8. having reference or regard; relevant; pertinent (usually followed by to ): > to determine the facts relative to an accident. > 9. correspondent; proportionate: Value is relative to demand. > > (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/relative) > --- > > Marsha: > So, yes, the question is to what degree I consider Kahneman's theory to > represent "truth". I've already stated the theory is useful in one way > because it challenges what we already think we know, but I will have to put a > little more effort into its proper evaluation. > > Is there a problem with me using the term 'truth' in a conventional way? > > > Marsha > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Dec 27, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Steve Peterson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Why would you wonder if it is the truth when you've already decided that >> truth is relative? It is certainly true for him. The only question is >> whether it is true for you. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 27, 2011, at 2:39 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Steve and Mark, >>> >>> As I began reading the book, all I I could wonder was 'Is this the truth?'. >>> Does winning the nobel prize add credibility to it being the truth. - >>> Seems like good story-telling though. Worth considering since it >>> challenges what we think we know. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Dec 27, 2011, at 2:04 AM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Steve, >>>> Thanks, I'll give it a read. >>>> >>>> ... >>>> >>>> I will have to read it with some skepticism, >>>> however, for that is what my intuition directs me to do. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
