Mark screams at Marsha: > What I was asking you was: What do the patterns represent? They must > be patterns of something, right? Same with an analogy. An analogy is > a representation of something else, BY DEFINITION. So all could be > analogies in the static world, but what are they analogies of? That > is what are these analogies used to represent?
Dave Chill man, your scientist is showing :-) If you look at my brief exchange with DMB you will see that analogs is all you get. Analogs of analogs. That's what "the myth of the given" is all about. Here is a snip from a Ken Wilbur interview: "WILBER: The myth of the given is one of the book's primary topics. It is the belief that the world as it appears in my consciousness, as it is given to me, is somehow fundamentally real, foundationally real, and that therefore I can base my worldview upon whatever presents itself to my consciousness. For example, I might see a rock in front of me; I take that as real. I have an experience of anger; I take that as real. But the whole point is that what our awareness delivers to us is set in cultural contexts and many other kinds of contexts that cause an interpretation and a construction of our perceptions before they even reach our awareness. So what we call real or what we think of as given is actually constructedit's part of a worldview." http://www.andrewcohen.org/andrew/post-metaphysics.asp And then RMP in ZaMM pg 146: "In our highly complex organic state we advanced organisms respond to our environment with an invention of many marvelous analogues. We invent earth and heavens, trees, stones and oceans, gods, music, arts, language, philosophy, engineering, civilization and science. We call these analogues reality. And they are reality. We mesmerize our children in the name of truth into knowing that they are reality. We throw anyone who does not accept these analogues into an insane asylum." Now you might think that when he closes this paragraph with this: "But that which causes us to invent the analogues is Quality." That at least quality is real, a given? Nope. It's just an analog for reality which is an analog for quality. But it's good. Dave Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
