Hi Marsha

I know you don't easily (!) submit and this is something that I regard with great respect. I mean that sincerely. I may disagree with you in many ways but I still accept that you have a point of view and continue to give you a platform to express that point of view. I think there are very few on this forum (although there are some) who are not guilty of abusive behaviour (and to be fair both you and I can be counted in this majority for whatever reason) and it is something that I have tried to stop in the past. However, short of having a moderated forum or kicking the majority off the list I'm not sure what else I can do to stop this. I would much prefer to see a less hostile approach to all of our discussions and don't accept that abuse is a necessary part of this approach. I also accept that there have been times when I have been harsh towards you, unreasonably so in some cases, but you're still here and still presenting your point of view. I think that counts for something. As list admin. I try to interfere as little as possible but when I feel I need to make comments or admonish I do so and will continue to do so. I intend to run MD the way I think is best. While browbeating may be subjective it certainly goes on from various quarters and I consider various forms of abuse, harassment and aggressive questioning etc. to be forms of browbeating.

Anyway, enough for now.

Horse

On 13/03/2012 11:36, MarshaV wrote:

Horse,

I do not easily submit.  In this forum I've been called an idiot, an asshole, Lucy, 
accused of continuous drinking, been called immoral, associated with a 
snot-bucket,&etc.  What is called browbeating seems, also, to be a subjective 
term.

Marsha


On Mar 13, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Horse<[email protected]>  wrote:

Mark
Marsha sums up the problem very nicely here.
An onslaught of questions and double standards.
And your ego and controlling nature not allowing you to stop until you have 
browbeaten everyone else into submission.
Thank you Marsha.

Horse

On 13/03/2012 11:09, MarshaV wrote:
Mark,

I am not being belligerent, I'm needing a rest from your onslaught of 
questions.  I do not think you're evil, but you do demonstrate a double 
standard.

This discussion is over…


Marsha



On Mar 12, 2012, at 6:42 PM, 118 wrote:

Marsha,
Why are you so belligerent.  I have spent some time trying to present things 
that are understandable.  All I get back are quotes, one liners, or accusations 
that I am out to get you.  Please review my posts to you, I am not evil.

Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark

On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:46 AM, MarshaV<[email protected]>   wrote:

Mark,

And I was looking for clarification when I asked you to explain how I was using 
the term 'relationship' in an objective fashion.  If you do not understand what 
I say, figure it out for yourself, and have the experience for yourself, too.  
There's nothing I can tell you.  In general, I am quite tired of you.

Marsha






On Mar 12, 2012, at 12:24 PM, 118<[email protected]>   wrote:

Marsha,

My intention was not to ridicule, never is.  I simply asked for
clarification so that I can understand what you are presenting.  I
value different ways of saying things, but I cannot read your mind.

While I still do not understand your "habits that have turned into
conventions", I will not bug you any more on this, and let Dan do the
questioning.

Thank you for your response to this ignorant fool.

Mark

On 3/12/12, MarshaV<[email protected]>   wrote:
Mark,

I mean habits that have turned into conventions.  Darn!  You allow yourself
different ways of saying something.  So when I try it, I get ridicule?  You
are like a noisy little child...


Marsha




On Mar 12, 2012, at 12:01 PM, 118<[email protected]>   wrote:

Hi Marsha and Dan,

OK, so now "patterns" are "conventional habits".  This still does not
provide me with any clarity.  What pray tell are "conventional
habits"?  One person's conventional habits can be another's mystery.
Can I say that "conventional habits" are similar to "intuitive
habits"?  This would make such habits more real than the intellectual
patterns that "habits" are imbued with.  If not, please explain what
you are trying to convey by "conventional habits".  It rhymes with
"relational rabbits", this could be what you are saying, but I do not
know.

What is an "unconventional habit?".  Perhaps by explaining that, I can
deduce what a "conventional habit" is, as you use the term.

Regards,
Mark

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