On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 10:37 PM, david
buchanan<[email protected]> wrote:
This might be fun but it's also a kind of experiment. I was reading
a paper and saw many parallels to Pirsig, which wasn't very
surprising because it's titled "Dewey's Zen". But I wonder if
others read it the same way I do. In certain passages it seems like
one could plug Pirsig's terms into the sentences and they'd still
mean the same thing - almost exactly. Telling you more than that -
like which terms I had in mind - it would ruin the experiment. How
about if I just post a bit of it and let everyone take a shot at
it? Maybe it would be fun to put in Pirsig's terms wherever you
think they would fit. Take your pick or play with them all, but
please be explicit enough to let me know if you're seeing the same
thing that I'm seeing.
Hi David
Been editing one of my books most of the evening... I love the
writing... the editing, not so much... but since I cannot afford to
pay someone to do it, it falls to me. Anyway, I thought I'd throw out
a few ideas to chew on...
...experiences come whole, pervaded by unifying qualities that
demarcate them within the flux of our lives. If we want to find
meaning, or the basis for meaning, we must therefore start with the
qualitative unity that Dewey describes. The demarcating pervasive
quality is, at first, unanalyzed, but it is the basis for
subsequent analysis, thought, and development. Thought starts from
this experienced whole, and only then does it introduce
distinctions that carry it forward as inquiry.
Dan:
The author seems to be saying the same thing that RMP says when he
talks about Quality coming first, and how ideas arise from 'it'. The
qualifiers the author uses seem contradictory on the surface though it
is possible I'm not seeing things properly.
It is not wrong to say that we experience objects,
properties, and relations, but it is wrong to say that these are
primary in experience. What are primary are pervasive qualities of
situations, within which we subsequently discriminate objects,
properties, and relations.
Dan:
See... the author subtly shifts here into saying these qualities are
pervasive and the demarcation only happens later.
Dewey took great pains to remind us that the primary locus of
human experience is not atomistic sense impressions, but rather
what he called a "situation," by which he meant, not just our
physical setting, but the whole complex of physical, biological,
social, and cultural conditions that constitute any given
experience—experience taken in its fullest, deepest, richest,
broadest sense.
Dan:
A minor quibble here... in the MOQ, experience is synonymous with
Dynamic Quality. Static quality comes later... inorganic, biological,
social, intellectual.
Mind, on this view, is neither a willful creator of experience, nor
is it a mere window to objective mind-independent reality. Mind is
a functional aspect of experience that emerges when it becomes
possible for us to share meanings, to inquire into the meaning of a
situation, and to initiate action that transforms, or remakes, that
situation.
Dan:
To respond to Dynamic Quality, in other words...
The pervasive quality of a situation is not limited merely to
sensible perception or motor interactions. Thinking is action, and
so "acts of thought" also constitute situations that must have
pervasive qualities. Even our best scientific thinking stems from
the grasp of qualities.
Dan:
"Acts of thought" are ideas? Is that what I'm understanding here? And
yes, the MOQ would seem to agree that ideas are as 'real' as inorganic
and biological patterns... they exist on different evolutionary
levels, however.
And perhaps my favorite....
The crux of Dewey's entire argument is that what we
call thinking, or reasoning, or logical inference could not even
exist without the felt qualities of situations: "The underlying
unity of qualitativeness regulates pertinence or relevancy and
force of every distinction and relation; it guides selection and
rejection and the manner of utilization of all explicit terms."
Dan:
I should think that in the MOQ, culture is the regulating force of
distinctions and relations... remember how Phaedrus read about the sun
flashing green before he actually looked up and 'saw' it?
Thank you,
Dan
http://www.danglover.com
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