Hi Ant, When you say Dynamic here, am I to assume you mean Dynamic Quality? So are you saying, for instance, that a philosophy discussion as it is happening is Dynamic Quality? Or are you saying that your use of the term Dynamic is something else entirely? I know from experience discussing the MOQ here; that a lot of confusion begins when we get into these details..
-David. On 29/03/2012, at 1:28 AM, Ant McWatt wrote: > > Andre, > > There might be one or two other terms I used in David's exercise that need > clarifying but it's good someone is taking note of at least one! > > You stated March 28th: > >> I seem to remember Pirsig saying the same thing during the AHP > >> conference, that, as soon as you start conceptualizing, thinking about > >> it, the activity of symbol manipulation, you are in the static. That is, > >> the activity is a static exercise/a static process following static rules. > > The exact quote would be helpful but, yes, Pirsig has written/said similar > elsewhere. But to clarify, I'd say the activity of conceptualising is > Dynamic (i.e. the creative artistic part) while the rules and symbols > themselves are static. > > For instance, while I write this e-mail, that > is Dynamic. By the time you read it, it will be static. A philosophy > discussion is Dynamic - while it happens. A recording of the discussion > will be static. Same with a philosophy book (it's a static product of a - > largely - Dynamic process). Moreover, any NEW thoughts you > have inspired by the philosophy book (or my e-mail or the discussion) > is Dynamic. > > Hope that helps, > > Anthony. > > > > >> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:08:18 +0200 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [MD] Dewey's Zen >> >> Andre: >> Thank you Anthony and dmb for presenting us with both your versions of >> this fun experiment. >> >> I do have a question though with regards to what Anthony said which has >> nagged me for quite some time prior to this as well. >> Anthony said: >> Thinking is [Dynamic but] could not even exist without the felt >> qualities of [the aesthetic continuum]: >> >> Andre: >> I understand that 'thinking' is a (let's for clarity's sake say) ongoing >> process/activity. But is it "Dynamic" (with a capital D)? >> >> My understanding of Dynamic, as used within the MOQ is that its result >> is always new (because it shatters static patterns) and that it is >> 'arrived' at at that moment of not-thinking/not intellectualizing (This >> is how I read the example in ZMM of Poincaré and e.g. the classroom >> method...and the heart attack patient and the person experiencing a >> storm and the hearing of this wonderful new song). >> >> I seem to remember Pirsig saying the same thing during the AHP >> conference, that, as soon as you start conceptualizing, thinking about >> it, the activity of symbol manipulation, you are in the static. That is, >> the activity is a static exercise/a static process following static rules. >> >> I mean, in ZMM the narrator 'laments' the realization that he hasn't had >> a new thought in years. I presume he wasn't walking around as a zombie. >> No, he just kept his nose clean, did odd jobs here and there and lived >> an 'ordinary' family life. I wonder how many of us are in that same >> boat. We may think we are wonderfully dynamic and what have you, but >> most appear just variations on the same theme(this is my understanding >> of static quality patterns). >> >> A bit like Pirsig's comment on the activities of the conservatives: >> "They are just doing the usual cover-up for the rich in their age-old >> exploitation of the poor". (LILA, p 225) And, let's be honest: they come >> up with some very creative ideas but still... . >> >> What am I missing? I would really appreciate some clarification on this. > > > > > . > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
