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All,
Lately I've had a hard time figuring out why should I participate in
discussion in the MOQ community. Not one person in the world understands
my work. The mathematical structure of my metaphysics is understood by
some, although none of them (with the possible exception of Tim)
apparently belongs to the MOQ community. The maths portion describes the
form of the SOQ but not the content. Nobody has shown definite interest
in the metaphysical content of the work, that is, why there should be
normative or aesthetic value, or why subjective value should be split
into levels of static value just like objective value. Ant had reached
the point of actually being able to question the latter notion and the
thoughts underlying it, but as we didn't quite agree, the whole debate
was just left inconclusive. Some ask me why I'm doing this, or that I
should "sell" my idea to them. This mostly indicates that the idea
already failed to sell itself. Or what do they expect? That I tell them
the SOQ are a foundation for a very intelligent AI, even though I can't
prove it? That I tell them the SOQ are "the truth"?
Arlo even questioned the idea that the SOQ is based on the MOQ. Since I
have to include the MOQ foundation in the SOQ anyhow in order to not be
obviously vulnerable to accusations of plagiarism, I get a situation
where I feel I can't say anything. If I emphasize the role of the MOQ as
a foundation of the SOQ, people will not recognize it, and they will not
tell me why they find the SOQ to have so little to do with the MOQ, even
though it frequently uses the same concepts. They will not tell me why
they hold the number four as sacred, as in, that there have to be
exactly four levels of static value, and a MOQ with eight or sixteen
levels is not MOQ or at least not interesting in any way whatsoever. But
if I don't emphasize the MOQ as a foundation of the SOQ, the SOQ
apparently begin to look like off-topic.
The reason I wanted Pirsig's e-mail address initially was, that I was
beginning to see that nobody in this community is actually going to
comment details of my work or publicly affirm anything in my work as
correct. Perhaps this will change as time passes and my ideas sink in,
but perhaps it will not. I thought Pirsig might be interested of this
kind of work. But my letter to Pirsig was not delivered, apparently, and
I was not given his e-mail address. Instead, on both MD and LS, I was
reassured that Pirsig surely is aware of my work, without giving any
reason why he would. As I'm getting the feeling I am not taken seriously
here, I guess I have no more to say. Although some took my work
seriously, they preferred to express their support privately.
It's been a good trip, though. I recall Matt gave me the idea of
circular emergence, which I finally managed to integrate into SOQ. Mark
also gave some good ideas. The reason why I have been here is that after
seven years, this stuff is getting so remote from everyday life that I
have no motivation to finish the development unless I can talk about
these things with someone, even if they didn't give any clear indication
of understanding what I'm doing. But lately, it seems my input to this
community has amounted to me fighting with people. We have the authority
problems of the academia, yet not the authority of the academia. Notions
like "the MOQ is contemporary philosophy, hence, analytic interpretation
of the MOQ is not MOQ" make no more sense than claiming there are really
no platypi, because they don't fit into the existing taxonomy used by
biologists. At some point, I just have to stop caring about stuff like
that. I would have wanted to get Pirsig's e-mail address, and I have
felt that anyone who possesses it but does not give it to me is a
terrorist. But I'm not going to do anything about that. In any case,
it's beginning to seem like I no longer have a reason to participate in
the activities of this community. So, unless a reason emerges, goodbye
and maybe see you later.
The hardest thing to accept was the constant paranoia and suspicion
about disliked people believing in SOM, of which nobody exactly knows,
what that is. You don't have to care about me, but if you care about the
MOQ, you should eventually realize that perceiving anyone with a new
idea as an attacker will not do your philosophy any good. The MOQ can be
a vital tradition of discussion, but the discussions have to go
somewhere. If the MOQ is, and always will be, only something Pirsig
wrote, the tradition will die within a generation. I'm not a zealot
myself. I am a practical person who wishes to develop metaphysics that
facilitate maximum sanity for himself. I did not appreciate that I was
perceived as an egocentric person who came here to tell others what to
believe. While I did tell you what to believe, I was not egocentric. And
I don't really know how to tell you this, but on both LS and MD, my
thinking was believed to suffer from elementary mistakes of which it
doesn't suffer. If anyone who comes here has to prove so much about
themselves, you won't have here other kind of people than the likes of
you: paranoid fighters. If that's what you're going to have here, good
luck with getting the MOQ mainstream. You're going to need it, as the
key to winning the acceptance of other people is to accept them first.
Tuukka
Craig
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