Hi Everyone. Words - they can describe a great many things. We humans use them from the perspective of different values as well..
We can use them from the perspective of biological patterns: "Oh yes that's goood!" - social patterns: "Gesundheit" - intellectual patterns: "E = MC^2" and Dynamic Quality "Not this, not that." Bad things happen however, when we claim to speak from one perspective, but are actually speaking from another. The most common misunderstanding on this philosophy forum is when mystics such as Mark and Marsha claim to be speaking from the perspective of the intellect but are actually speaking from the perspective of Dynamic Quality. This results in ugly mysticism which doesn't end up pointing to DQ at all and creates incoherence on the intellectual level. To be clear - a philosophical forum, by definition, is interested in one of these levels only - the intellectual level. The intellect doesn't like undefined things. Talking intellectually is itself actually a form of degeneracy. This is admitted by Pirsig where he writes: "Writing a metaphysics is, in the strictest mystic sense, a degenerate activity." If that was the end of the story, then writing an intellectual Metaphysics would be something one ought not do. But, according to Pirsig, that isn't the end of the story.. "The only person who doesn't pollute the mystic reality of the world with fixed metaphysical meanings is a person who hasn't yet been born — and to whose birth no thought has been given. The rest of us have to settle for being something less pure. Getting drunk and picking up bar-ladies and writing metaphysics is a part of life." So Pirsig proceeds to outline the intellectual philosophy of the MOQ - thus embracing the degeneracy of the intellect and destroying the fundamental undefined source of all things with fixed metaphysical meanings. Now, if Marsha and Mark would like to avoid ruining the undefined source of all things with fixed metaphysical meanings then I suggest that they stop talking, cease existing, and erase any thought of their existence from the heads of everyone they have ever encountered. If they cannot do this, then please either join a Zen group and discuss mysticism there or embrace your inner intellectual degenerate and accept that your words are definitions which attempt to describe reality with fixed metaphysical meanings. Or ideally, do both. Thank-you, -David. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
