Hi Marsha, Yes, I agree. David is trapped in some (SOM?) SQ world of his own making. I have suggested he stand up and look at the view.
Thank you for you contribution. Mark On Sep 5, 2012, at 1:17 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Greetings, > > The "mystical" experience is given such abstruse connotations, but it is > thoroughly empirical. There are thousands of words devoted to explaining > such experiences; RMP devotes many words to his experience. There are many > different practices devoted to encouraging such experiences. While talk of > mystical experience might be out of the ordinary and difficult, there is no > reason it should be a banned and discredited topic. > > "Before a man studies Zen, to him mountains are mountains and waters are > waters; after he gets an insight into the truth of Zen through the > instruction of a good master, mountains to him are not mountains and waters > are not waters; but after this when he really attains to the abode of rest, > mountains are once more mountains and waters are waters." > > This talk of good mystic - bad mystic is just not very helpful; it only adds > to the abstruseness of what is right before you and nothing special. If you > have not had even one such an experience, you will. It is a matter of > lifting the veil of separation. Having such an experience changes the > reference point of the intellect. Maybe it does not change intellectual > patterns, but it does change the way one thinks about things (the intellect). > Having such an experience changes the intellect in a way that a "theory of > truth" never could. Imho. > > "The purpose of mystic meditation is not to remove oneself from experience > but to bring one's self closer to it by eliminating stale, confusing, static, > intellectual attachments of the past. " > (LILA, Chapter 9) > > > Marsha > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
