Hi Jan, I agree. I enjoy music of all sorts. Something about rock and roll still gets me down somewhere deep, outside of the intellect.
My parents were real Wagner fans. Sadly, although I have been to numerous operas, I find them too long, nothing to dance to. Maybe I have not grown up yet... I do like listening to certain arias though. Mark On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Mark > > It's just a good experience to go to the opera sometimes. Nice patterns > there. Less truth. > > I can sometimes have a good laugh at the barber and Don Basilio. > > J A > > 27 sep 2012 kl. 23.24 skrev 118: > >> Hi Jan Anders, >> I assume the laugh comes from its being in English. >> >> I am not quite sure what you mean by "just" below. The patterns we create >> can be grand. Are you suggesting that there is more? If so how do you >> know? What is Quality to you outside of patterns? >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Mark >> >> On Sep 27, 2012, at 6:44 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Mark >>> >>> Definitions and words are just patterns. However, THIS is Quality, in very >>> High Definition: >>> http://www.metoperafamily.org/opera/barber-of-seville-rossini-english-tickets.aspx >>> >>> Wish you a good quality laugh. >>> >>> J A >>> >>> >>> 27 sep 2012 kl. 01.10 skrev 118: >>> >>>> Hi Jan-Anders, >>>> >>>> Thank you for your input on this subject. I find this whole concept of not >>>> describing (or defining as some people say) Quality to be a bit >>>> nonsensical. If this were true, we would have a word (Quality) that cannot >>>> be said to mean anything, yet Pirsig devotes two books to the subject. When >>>> we bring up the word Quality we have a meaning in mind. Yet, there seem to >>>> be those in this forum who claim that no meaning can be given to Quality. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We use words to exchange ideas. These ideas are of something that is >>>> important to us. The words we use to describe Quality are meant to convey >>>> meaning to the reader. That is why we post in this forum, to discuss a >>>> metaphysics based on Quality. In order to discuss Quality, we must use >>>> words of agreed on definitions. In order to discuss Quality we must agree >>>> on what it is that we are discussing. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In its purest sense of the word, Quality is a manner of viewing existence. >>>> It is a paradigm through which one can make meaning of the world. This is >>>> explained to great length in Lila. The whole purpose of MOQ is to provide >>>> meaning to Quality using metaphysical terms. What this brings, is an >>>> awareness of existence which is outside subjects and objects. This must be >>>> something we all are aware of; otherwise we would be discussing Quality as >>>> if it were some foreign viewpoint. One has little to discuss about skiing, >>>> unless one has been skiing. We are discussing what we are aware of through >>>> the prism of Quality. This is really simple. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It is clear from ZAMM, that to see the world as Quality, one enters into >>>> the realm of insanity. Therefore, it could seem that trying to define >>>> Quality is an exercise in insanity. However, this is not the case as is >>>> shown by MOQ as presented in Lila. Quality is defined so many times in >>>> Lila, that the book should be banned according to some. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The little response provided by Jan Anders is completely useless in terms >>>> of MOQ. It says that one cannot define Quality in the course of a >>>> conversation. I have news for Jan Anders, there is absolutely nothing that >>>> can be defined. Try defining your dog (if you have one), and I will show >>>> you what you have left out. Definitions are merely agreements, words are >>>> descriptons. There is nothing binding about definitions except their >>>> utility. Quality is no different in it definability than anything else we >>>> discuss. The problem seems to be that nobody can agree on Quality. All we >>>> do is go around in circles doing our best not to talk about it, and somehow >>>> deny Quality in MOQ. This is completely absurd. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If I present an analogy between Quality and Intent, what I am doing is >>>> saying that in my opinion, my awareness of Quality is similar to my >>>> awareness of Intent. Neither of these terms needs to be forcefully defined >>>> so long as I make clear what I mean. The whole purpose of such an exercise >>>> is to bring meaning to Quality. It is to allow others to see existence in >>>> a new way; a way that brings more meaning and makes more sense than we >>>> currently have in the West. An awareness that we all have. An awarness >>>> that is free from SOM. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So, please, let's stop all this "non-defining" nonsense. Let us get back >>>> to MOQ and discussing Quality. What words do you want to use to discuss >>>> Quality? >>>> >>>> >>>> How about it Jan Anders? Got something of substance to say about Quality? >>>> Tell us of your experience of your examination of the World as Quality. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Jan Anders Andersson >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Mark >>>> >>>> If you don't mind I would like to split in here. 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