Dear MoQ'ers,
I have created this new thread simply to vent some of my frustrations
and I hope that Horse will forgive my language that I am going to use
sometimes.
This discuss is becoming de-motivating to me. Here I was, in the early
days (for me around 2008) hoping to talk about Pirsig's MoQ. Then, from
post one, I was confronted/met/welcomed by Bodvar who suggested that
Pirsig was all wrong about his own metaphysics. This...with a little
help from my frinds, I survived. Platt, with his reasoning which
bordered on fascism) and Bodvar are off this discuss...thank goodness
but there are a few left whom I really wish will follow these
aforementioned two.
We have all been invited to a very special space called the MoQ. I
really think this is a priviledged space to be in. I, until some years
back had an inkling of such a space but had no idea how to 'get' there
(intellectually) nor what to expect once inside. I only had an
intuition, a strong feeling that, what Pirsig had opened up and had made
available in a mystic and at the same time tangible, metaphysical way
somehow resonated with me.
ZMM and LILA were and still are that chamber, that refuge, that opening
and intellectual power with which to make sense of this world. I really
do believe that the Quality paradigm, as part of the perennial
philosophy will improve this world. But some things are hard to break. A
SOM perspective for sure. And there a few on this discuss that do
nothing else but undermine, de-construct and absolutely nullify what
Pirsig has tried, over a period of 15 years to create...simply because
it does not match their own, as they term it 'experience'.
Sad really. Lets name some names (but remember these are static patterns
of quality they 'personify', same as Lila at the biological level and
Rigel at the social level).
First comes to mind is Marsha. She has been invited to this space Pirsig
has created and she does nothing else but critisize it and attempts to
break it down. She holds the space (Pirsig's MoQ) as
questionable/hypothetical/doubtful and 'mere opinion'.
The space she has voluntarily entered, she ramms down,severely
criticises and even has the audacity to question the validity of, is
hereby continually under siege. Can you imagine that? If I understand
the literature clearly she is representing the post-modernist,
deconstructionist philosophy ( a lethal device already severely
criticised).
Dmb and myself have been trying to point out that this is a space you
can enter via a certain skillful manipulation of symbols (as Pirsig
defines the intellectual level) yet Marsha apparently lacks the skills
as well as the manipulation and most certainly has the symbols all
wrong. As with Joe and Mark and a few others who occassionally appear on
this list.
I really do not know how many people are lurking but I do know that, if
I were interested in discussing Pirsig's MoQ...you know, simply asking
questions about fragments from ZMM and/or LILA for clarification, I
would think that this is NOT the place to ask. Posters like Marsh and
Mark and Joe, and Michael, and John and Ham... holy macaronies...what
hope do they have to get something useful i.e. quality inspired.
I feel that participating in this discuss we (all of the participants)
have an obligation to honour, respect and further/build on, Pirsig's
space he has created for all of us. This does not mean following dogma,
this does not mean adhering to 'Pirsig's word'. Nothing wrong with
attempting to place our own bit of furniture or painting or frying
utensil into this space BUT!! I reject those that are trying (the
Marsha's, the Mark's , the Joe's ( sorry mate), the John's, the Ham's)
to reconstruct the space itself! That is what pisses me off about the
current level of discussion on this discuss.
I find it highly demotivating and am seriously contemplating unsubscribing.
All those who think that E=MC2 is anything other than an intellectual
pattern of value (regardless of whether Pirsig thinks so or Andre), all
those who think that fascism grew out of socialism, all those who think
that do/re/mi/fa/sol/ is the be all and end all of the universe...please
go away. You have made this place a 'den of thieves'. You are, what in
lovely english is termed 'gatebashers'.
I hereby devote my deep respect for R.M. Pirsig. He is way ahead of his
time. Pity so few of us understand the finger he is raising...for too
many do not see, feel, hear or know whereto.
Peace.
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