thanks, John for the Herrigel reference
it is on my list

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Howze, John@EDD <[email protected]>wrote:

> Zen and the Art of Archery vs Zen and the Art of Motorcyle Maintenance
>
> Zen seems to me...beyond any rational discourse.
>
> Thus Metaphysics gets involved with what it IS?
>
> But, the book for which our subject was named seems to find a point to
> discuss
> a reason to hope for understanding, and an aim...pardon the pun
>
> I like Eugene Herrigel book for explaining what Zen 'is', and what it is
> 'not'.
> I like Persig's  book for explaining what we are in terms of a person with
> both
> great insight into some problems, and great blindness into other problems.
>
> But, we are not one or the other...we are both.
> A zazen example of a koan maybe but with a point.  Looking for the lost
> soul
> within a very narrow  parameter....
> and I loved the discussions, but much of it
> was  something I must read more and think more about.
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