Hi MarshaV and All, My reactions are to SOM, a duality in existence. DQ is indefinable and DQ/SQ cannot be considered a duality in existence but rather a modality of existence, indefinable/definable. This opens the door to evolution as levels in existence giving a structure to the modality, evolution, without violating DQ/SQ metaphysics. DQ is indefinable not non-existent.
Joe On 12/19/12 11:36 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Joe, > > Secure? Good luck with that project... > > > Marsha > > > On Dec 19, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi MarshaV and All, >> >> I can't relate to a bottomless craving. IMHO In DQ/SQ metaphysics the >> indefinable is present. For variety Evolution in existence seems a more >> secure approach than thirst. I can experience the indefinable. >> Communicating that experience follows the metaphysical structure of DQ/SQ. >> >> Joe >> >> >> On 12/19/12 9:14 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Suffering >>> >>> --- >>> "What Is the Cause of Social Dukkha? >>> >>> "According to Shakyamuni, the cause of our suffering is _tanha_, usually >>> translated as "craving" but more literally as "thirst." Nothing we drink >>> can >>> ever assuage our tanha, because that thirst is due to an emptiness at the >>> core >>> of our being. It is as if that core were a bottomless pit, something like >>> the >>> black hole that astronomers believe lie at the center of most galaxies. No >>> matter how much we try to fill up our own black hole with this or that, >>> everything is swallowed up and disappears into it. >>> >>> "It is bottomless because our sense of self is an ungroundable construct. >>> Notice, however, the second noble truth does not identify our problem as >>> groundlessness. The problem is "thirst". --- not the emptiness at the core >>> of >>> our being but our incessant efforts to fill that hole up, because we >>> _experience_ it as a sense of lack that must be filled up. The problem is >>> not >>> that I am unreal but that I keep trying to make myself real in ways that >>> never >>> work. This implies there might be another way to experience our >>> groundlessness." >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
