D. Thomas said to DMB:
I took your advise in the off-list email to me and will try again respond to
our disagreement about DEFINATIONS of ³static² and ³stable².
dmb says:
Unfortunately, you either ignored my advice or maybe it just wasn't clear what
the problem is. Either way, you second attempt repeats the same problem, only
more so. As I said (offline), "How about if you respond to this post again,
except this time you'll read the WHOLE thing before you answer any part of it.
I can tell that you didn't because you raise objections in one part that are
already addressed in later parts." You've just continued to pretend that I
didn't already address these points in the original post. For example....
D. Thomas said:
...And then there is this Lila quote: "Without stability nothing can last,
without dynamics nothing will change" ..Your proof of static being better, is
that Pirsig points to James and his division between concepts and reality is
analogous to MoQ¹s Static Quality and Dynamic Quality.
dmb says:
Actually, I made a case that "stable" is probably a better word than "static"
and so I didn't offer anything as "proof of static being better". If you had
taken my advice, you would have responded to that part of the post, rather than
pretending I never said it. If you failed to notice twice even though I advised
you to read the original post more carefully, then that's even worse.
This is how I originally put it and an honest debate would include a response
to the things I've actually said: "In either case "ever-changing" is crucial in
understanding what "static" or "stable" is not. Those terms are both literally
defined in CONTRAST to change, as lacking change, as resistance to change. It's
okay to talk about the growth and evolution of static patterns. That's why
"stable" is probably a better word - because "static" could be interpreted to
mean completely frozen or totally incapable of change. I never read it that
way. But "ever-changing" is simply incorrect because it is the opposite of
stable or static."
And my I remind you that we are talking about the most basic distinction in the
MOQ. If you can't get that right, many mistakes will follow.
I know you and Marsha can't believe it, but you're both quite confused. Phrases
like "ever-changing static patterns" are just among the most blatantly
indications of this confusion. If you don't see the problem in that instance,
there is no chance you'll benefit from any critique. This is as simple as it
gets. We're only talking about contradictory terms. This error is so simple and
so obvious that it should not even require an explanation.
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