Hi Ron and Marsha Yes, the turtles analogy is false but not because it must be some ground on the bottom for the lowest turtle but because the casuality has MORE THAN ONE euclidical dimension and by that points at an original point, which is endlessly small but a single basic point where it all started. Explosions, EMP's, Big Bangs and North Korean word attacks do all have a source in time where the conditional pieces came together.
Experience have at least three independent sides simultaneously; amount-strength, form-character, expression-meaning to the subject. These "aspects" of Static Quality makes up the direction towards the ultimate starting point which is the, forever undefinable balancing point of, Dynamic Quality. Being out for a walk on the street you don't really have to take much care of where you once started but in every step you have got the opportunity to take the best way from where you are. There are many short events and many long events going on simultaneously. Quality (and the Foice) will always be with you... Jan Anders 5 apr 2013 kl. 15.58 X Acto wrote: > The most meaningful places to draw lines is at their value in experience, if > lines were drawn randomly > or whimsicaly (whererever we want them) they would not hold as great a > meaning, if any at all. > > The turtles analogy represents the infinite reduction problem, and as we > know, Pirsig identifies it as a false > philosophical problem. > > Value is not infinite and meaningless, in fact the very meaning of the word > is usefulness. Excellence is another > term used to describe value as well as importance. Value is limit, value is > drawing a line. > > And value is the at center of experience. > > .-Ron > > > > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > To: MoQ <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 1:55 AM > Subject: [MD] turtles, or fun with metaphysics > > > Greetings, > > Being that it's turtles all the way down, it is interesting to see where one > draws the line. Yesterday the line was drawn above the second turtle from > the bottom (infinity). Today, wanting to include some interesting point, the > line is drawn above the fourth turtle from the top. One wants to be > accommodating; one wants to present a "rational" explanation; one wants to > make sense; and one wants to share the insight. But... But in the end the > line is drawn like the spinning seed pods of the maple tree, self-generating > whirlybirds drifting on a lazy, lovely breeze. > > > Marsha > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
