(Maybe my 5th today Horse ?) Yes, sometimes enough is enough, particularly when it's ignorance" that is being displayed - and I've always supported you 100% in your moderation decisions.
I take your question on "how do I expect you to enforce the rules" as rhetorical for now - (I've shared the unsnipped set of possible rules with you before - but come back offline if you do want to follow this up). Your dilemma is in the last two paras - "there will be fuck all respect" is not the best outcome. I feel for you. Ian On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Ian > > Personally, I think DMB, Dan, Arlo, Ant etc. have shown great restraint > when communicating with some of the 'contributors' to this list. > When you consider some of the utter shite that some on this list have > tried to pass off as philosophy in general, and MOQ related philosophy in > particular, I can quite see where they are coming from. > It's not just that there is some degree of initial difficulty moving from > a GOF/SOM view of reality to an MoQ view (we have all, as both DMB and Dan > have stated, been there and done that) but the absolute refusal to listen > to anyone or any argument that disagrees with their own misinterpretation > of Pirsig's work - including in some cases where their view directly > contradicts Pirsig's specific dismissal of a particular position!!! This > has to be the ultimate instance of disrespect - i.e. saying that the author > is too stupid to understand his own work!! > And how, pray tell, do I enforce the rules that you are proposing when > even the most simple rule of 4 posts per day is sometimes ignored (or to be > more charitable maybe, accidentally transgressed!!!)? > Sanctions, shame, removal? > > I understand what you're saying but, let's be honest here, if some > contributors have such little respect for what Pirsig has said with great > clarity then there will be fuck all respect for others that wish to ensure > that this clarity is maintained and/or promoted. > > Perhaps that's where I should start with regard to disrespect - but then > again I'd like to have a list that contains sufficient members to continue > conversations! > > Cheers > > Horse. > > > On 25/04/2013 10:28, Ian Glendinning wrote: > >> Given my exchanges with Dan and dmb, and David Harding's recent post on >> argumentation towards agreement .... I though I'd post a set of Rules of >> Engagement .... I've proposed elsewhere: >> >> *Rule #1 RESPECT – Understand & Question before Disagree & Criticize.* >> >> *Critical debate is essential to our agenda and anyone voicing direct >> >> disagreement with or criticism of the arguments of another must be seen to >> have understood, or sincerely attempted to understand, the others’ >> argument >> and to have related their counter argument to it.* >> >> * * >> >> *Rule #2 RESPECT – No “Ad Hominem” attacks on the Individual.* >> >> *Absolute no-no. Anyone having trouble with an individual should resolve >> >> with that individual, and involve moderator(s) in absolute confidence if >> mediation or moderation is considered necessary.* >> >> * * >> >> *Rule #3 RESPECT – Duty of Care when using Rhetoric or Irony.* >> >> *OK, but life (mine and yours) would be boring and sterile if we politely >> >> agreed with each other. So lively, critical, robust, intelligent debate is >> positively encouraged. What will not be tolerated is any perceived intent >> to circumvent Rules #1 & #2 under cover of rhetoric or irony.* >> >> * * >> >> *Beyond the rules above, here are a few guidelines.* >> >> *(Snipped here.)* >> >> * >> * >> >> *Moderation / Applying the Rules* >> >> *(Snipped here.)* >> >> * * >> >> * Enjoy.* >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-**moqtalk.org<http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org> >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.**org/<http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/> >> http://moq.org/md/archives.**html <http://moq.org/md/archives.html> >> >> > -- > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > — Frank Zappa > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/**listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-**moqtalk.org<http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org> > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/**pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.**org/<http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/> > http://moq.org/md/archives.**html <http://moq.org/md/archives.html> > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
