In a discussion thread "[MD] Awareness and consciousness in the MOQ" from 2012 i found people having a discussion about the qualification of Moq. John reads moq as a compas and Arlo prefers to see moq as a map. Personally i understand MOQ as a map and a compas Where the four static levels of quality being the map and dynamic quality acting as our compass.[MD] Awareness and consciousness in the MOQ *Arlo Bensinger* ajb102 at psu.edu <moq_discuss%40lists.moqtalk.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMD%5D%20Awareness%20and%20consciousness%20in%20the%20MOQ&In-Reply-To=%3C4F9025B4.4010402%40psu.edu%3E> *Thu Apr 19 07:48:20 PDT 2012*
- Previous message: [MD] Awareness and consciousness in the MOQ<http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/2012-April/066586.html> - Next message: [MD] Awareness and consciousness in the MOQ<http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/2012-April/066610.html> - *Messages sorted by:* [ date ]<http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/2012-April/date.html#66603> [ thread ]<http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/2012-April/thread.html#66603> [ subject ]<http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/2012-April/subject.html#66603> [ author ]<http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/2012-April/author.html#66603> ------------------------------ [John] All I'm saying Arlo, is that I don't read the MoQ as a map. I read the MoQ as a compass. I'll make my own map, thank you. [Arlo] Which is effect what we all do, really. We are all part of the larger historical dialogue, and from that we listen and we speak and we try to make sense of what's in front of us. A compass, to me, would seem to indicate a certain 'objectivity' (it always points 'north' regardless of where you are or what situation you are in), but that may be my own use of the word. [John] It's not designed to be useful to anyone else. My map is strictly for me. [Arlo] I suppose it depends on how you define "useful". I find maps others have made of certain topographies useful if for no other reason that to see how others defined certain problems and how they suggested they be resolved. I want to argue that you can use the territory, map, compass metafor to show the relationship between SOM and MOQ To me SOM can be explained by just using the methafor of the territory and the map where i see the territory as the objective world which cannot be known in itself and the map as the subjective world represented as symbolic representations of the territory in our minds. To me MOQ emerges by adding a compas to the Map,Territory methafor. This Compass emerges by understanding the relationship between the objective territory and the subjective symbolic map. To understand this relationship i introduse the idea of resonance as a relationship between the objective territory and the subjective mind map consisting of symbols. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_factor Pure Objective knowledge can not be known because it can only exist as a symbolic derivative in the subject. What we know as objecttive knowledge is knowledge gathered in a methodical way that minimizes the influence of subjective bias. This can symbolicly be seen as maximum separation between the subject and object S<=>O And can from my point of view be seen as the most Static Quality Pure Subjective knowledge can only be known emotionally because in this situation the symbolic map of the mind has so much detail that it can not be distinguished from the objective territory anymore. This can be seen as total resonance rise and causes the subjective self(ego) to cease to exist. Whats left is pure emotional feeling and can in my perspective be seen as a way to approach DQ. This can also symbolicly be expressed as S=O Our everyday experience can be seen as a symbolic subset of the objective territory thats partly resonating somewhere in the spectrum between total S<=>O and total S=O. So everyday experience consists of elements of S<=>O creating the map + elements of S=O being the compass. The more elements of S=O the better you feel. From my point of view can the approach of total S=0 or DQ be understood as intuition. The question is always, What do you trust more? Your map or your compass. As an experienced skipper i know that they are equally inportant. Kind regards Eddo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
