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Hi Dan and others who happen to like Kurt Vonnegut. After about 40 years I found a copy of "Between Time and Timbuktu" here: http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/qPXM6SDPlPE What it has to do with MOQ and the MD? Well, make your own thoughts about it at the end of the story. Jan-Anders 8 jun 2014 x kl. 22.24 skrev Dan Glover: > All, > > On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 2:17 PM, david <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Ant McWatt comments: >> ...Dave Buchanan and John Carl are talking past each other. They are >> talking about different things with the same name and is an error observed >> by Northrop in his "Logic of the Sciences & Humanities" book from 1948. >> Anyway, Dave is using the MOQ definition of "intellect" (i.e. the symbolic >> manipulation of symbols that we find in mathematics, the English language >> etc.) while John is using the SOM traditional definition of "intellect" as >> we find in US conservative radio chat shows etc. >> >> >> dmb says: >> Yes, John is using the SOM definition of "intellect", as opposed to the >> MOQ's construction of it. This is what Arlo calls the "problem space" and >> the "solution space" respectively. This is also what I often refer to as the >> disease and the cure or some other medical metaphor, following Pirsig's >> metaphors in ZAMM. >> While anti-intellectualism is very popular in the right-wing media, it seems >> that John is merely relying on the ordinary dictionary definition of >> "intellect," making a special point to include the idea of objectivity in >> that ordinary definition. But of course dictionaries aren't a very good >> source for the purposes of metaphysicians or ontologists. I tried to correct >> John about this already, about a week ago, but apparently he just doesn't >> care. Here's that part of the exchange, from May 30: >> > > Dan comments: > I happened to come across a series of Kurt Vonnegut interviews done > back in the 90's about anti-intellectualism and art, television and > reading and writing, and lots of other ideas that seem pertinent to > this discussion. This is the link to the first interview if you feel > like checking it out: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojMAgsfgPjA > > Thanks, > > Dan > > http://www.danglover.com > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
