Dear MOQ’ers Some time ago ( Wed, sept 14) John M said: The MOQ isn't a living, dynamic entity. It is a static intellectual pattern. It was made at a point in time by one person, in the midst of his own unique circumstances. But it doesn't fit mine,…’
Andre: This „ it doesn’t fit mine” keeps on bothering me a bit. We’ve had so many people here who eventually left (in frustration may I add) because there crept in an anomaly with what they considered to be the MOQ…i.e.what Pirsig was talking about and their own experience of the perspective furnished by this self same MOQ as devised by Pirsig. We have seen good, well-intentioned people leaving this discussion because their experience did not seam well with the MOQ as represented in LILA, defended by the likes of Anthony, dmb, Arlo, Ron and Dan. They argued a discrepancy between their living of the MOQ (as they experienced it) and Pirsig’s deposition thereof in LILA. LILA is a book…an exposition of the insights of a very special person who, as Cat Stevens once poetically said ¨turned the world to order” ( the song Jesus on Buddha and the Chocolate Box). And, boy this world needs to be turned to order… . It’s a karmic mess…we all know it, see it, feel it and when we look honestly we see that the MOQ tells us how. The nice thing of course is that it does not give us any definite answers! Thank goodness for that. Otherwise we’re be stuck with another dogma. It does give us pointers. And because Pirsig did ( when you are…and certainly you are) lend assistance to a living, sentient being with the ordering of the interpretation of our experience he thereby presents us with a clear starting point that is ever changing and ever renewed. It is good to have a solid foundation from which to see, feel, hear and argue. This is not dogma…it is realizing that words are simply pointers. And it is important to get the words right. And once the words are in place they are properly understood…in the context within which they receive their fullest meaning and explanatory power. In the same way that a menu is a pointer to the food it does not and cannot be a substitute or a guarantee for the quality of the food that ends up on your plate. No matter what the menu says…there is no guarantee that it is going to be to your liking… and pay special attention here to the word/concept YOUR. If the food does not agree with you…are you going to blame the menu…the waiter, the cook, the butter, the oil, the heat, the oven, the weather…your mechanic. your wife, your children, the maid, your bank manager, your pet, your tools, the class room, the sun set, the Middle East, the IS, the Buddha, Jesus Christ, Krishnamurti…Pirsig? I have said it before and will say it again: the MOQ is NOT a personal scrip for changing the world. It is a worldly scrip for changing your self. It is a signifier dancing (DQ) the conditioned towards…? It is a sign pointing towards the moon. We can pretend to be responsible for the best sexual experiences in the world. We can pretend to be the best celebrities in the world with the the highest status and the most money in the bank. We can pretend to be the smartest intellectually productive thought producers in the world . But that is NOT what it’s about. Were here to see the moon…that’s all. Realize Rta/dharma. That’s the clearest pointer of an idea you can get. And there is nothing personal in that. As a matter of fact, it has nothing to do with ¨mine” or yours or me or you. Perhaps that is the most difficult illusion to overcome. And it is the oldest idea known to man. (LILA,p 390) Namaste. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
