Ridgecoyote said to Ron:

...it seems to me that this kind of peace of mind, what is "worth while", 
includes a 4th level satisfaction as well as 2nd and 3rd.  By that I mean, 
meaning is wrapped up in a priori conceptualization and some certain schema...  
Looking at that, talking about that, involves universal conceptualization... it 
just does.  Owning that truth, is just being honest. ...as an idealist I 
believe that concepts ARE empirical.  When we try and think, they are just 
there, like any other datum.  In fact, they are the boundaries of the datum!  
You can take Empiricism all the way down there, but you can't deny that by 
doing so, you've turned it into the very abstract and universal concept by 
which you measure life!


dmb says:

Where the MOQ is the solution, this worship of universal concepts and 
abstractions is the problem. It's almost uncanny that you could be so 
diametrically opposed to Pirsig and American Pragmatism. Without even trying 
and without comprehension, you've managed to be as wrong as possible. Nothing 
Zen or even empirical about that "truth" you own.



Uncanny.



                                          
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