Jan_Anders, Sex is a biological pattern but an important motivator at the social level? I agree. I'd bet most of our desire for celebrity is at heart, driven by the subconscious desire to attract a high-quality mate. Moreso perhaps from a male perspective. Which is why our most successful male politicians, get into trouble with sex scandals. Why should that be shocking to people? When you win the game, you collect the prize.
How the drive can be used constructively, is a good question. I'm afraid the way it's been used mostly, on a mass scale anyway, is as the driver of a consumption-based economy. What would a quality-based economy look like? We'd value intellectual rather than physically fit specimens? From an MoQ perspective, the materialistic turn has put a rather strange and extreme twist upon the whole issue. Pre-internet, sexual titillation was a carefully hoarded resource, guarded by the forces of society. Nowadays with its rampant ubiquity, we have significant numbers opting out of the social "game". For example I offer, the Japanese: Nearly 40 percent of singles in their 20s and 30s do not want a romantic partner, with many calling relationships “bothersome,” according to a government survey released Monday. The survey, conducted by the Cabinet Office on the Internet and by mail between last December and January, covered 7,000 people aged 20 to 39. Valid responses were received from 37.8 percent. Of the valid respondents, 37.6 percent said they don’t want a romantic partner, while 60.8 percent voiced interest in such a relationship. The figures were reported in an annual government white paper discussing measures to combat the low birthrate." taken from http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/06/22/national/social-issues/nearly-40-of-single-japanese-not-interested-in-romance-survey/ Now there is no explicit correlation between the Japanese consumption of porn and this reproductive malaise, but such a relation isn't hard to imagine. While fundamentalists of all kinds, seem to put out more kids than any other group. It's also not hard to imagine where this kind of demographic is taking us, in the end. Inuendo, intended. John On 9/24/15, Jan-Anders Andersson <[email protected]> wrote: > John > > Sex is an important motivator at the social level according to Lila. How > often I think is a personal matter. I am more into how it can be used in a > constructive direction as a motivator for social betterness. > > J-A > > >> 24 sep. 2015 kl. 19:34 skrev John Carl <[email protected]>: >> >> J-A, >> >> Because talking about the un-talked about is an important task to take >> on, >> sometimes? >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 8:18 PM, Jan-Anders Andersson >> <[email protected] >>> wrote: >> >>> Hi John >>> >>> >>>> 23 sep. 2015 kl. 00:09 skrev John Carl <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> I watched (or rather, listened to) a TED talk yesterday, that really >>>> freaked me out. >>>> >>>> It was a guy talking about the effects of porn, upon the brain. >>>> Especially upon the pre-frontal cortex - the thinkiest part. >>>> >>>> damn. It all makes sense now. >>>> >>>> How can people not see the vacuousness of their lives and their >>>> culture? We've become degraded. Sent back. The opposite of >>>> advanced, as a species. It's a terribly depressing thought. >>>> Especially personally speaking, as one of the co-inventors (with Al >>>> Gore) of the internet. We had such high hopes, but alas... twas not >>>> to be. I remember Scott mentioning in a board meeting that like, 85% >>>> of the bandwidth of our local ISP was headed to porn sites, and I knew >>>> that my dreams of community uprising were ludicrous, un-pragmatic. >>>> And I despaired. I still do, actually. >>>> >>>> oh well. >>> >>> Would that make you understand why I inclued the porn parts in my nifty >>> little novel? >>> >>> Jan-Anders >>> >>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> -- >> "finite players >> play within boundaries. >> Infinite players >> play *with* boundaries." >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- "finite players play within boundaries. Infinite players play *with* boundaries." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
