On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 11:12 PM, A Serna <sab...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for accepting me into the discussion.I have only recently discovered > Pirsig's books and read both with great pleasure I must say. It made me > wonder about why he didn't continue publishing. I did some search for his > bio and I think I understand why, but nevertheless it leaves you wanting more > of it, like a selfish want for more of his thoughts, more of his mind. Like > I said, selfish...From the numerous ideas that stroke me as brilliant and > clarifying I wish to discuss the one about the Four levels or historical > evolutionary steps.The analogy with computer hardware vs software is quite > useful when trying to describe the never-ending question about the > relationship of mind-world in the subject-object perspective of things. Also > his allusion to Carbon and how it is a kind of bridge that is in the > biological (aka carbon based organisms) and the inorganic was a strike of > brilliance. But the point I am trying to discuss is that of time, more > specifically rate of change. F > or significant 'evolutionary' changes to occur we need an inclusion into the > Dynamic Quality, it is the vehicle of that change. At the inorganic level > this change and the Dynamic Quality processes that it needs, take billions of > years. Billions of years and unimaginable amounts of energy I have to add. > Comparatively to this, the Biological level takes millions, not billions of > years for Dynamic quality to produce significant evolution. Like when > single-cell organisms gathered into more complex ones, and when some of them > decided to grow teeth and have start biting each other. The next level up, > at the Societal level we need perhaps thousands of years, maybe even hundreds > to get evolutionary changes.This brings me to the top level, and the main > item of my discussion, at the Intellectual level the rate, of change. I am > daring to suggest, is infinite, and it requires far less energy than the > first, or any of the other levels. The Intellect changes constantly, > immediatel y, > only to propose another change right after. The Static patterns of Quality > and the Dynamic patterns have turned the other way. Let me elaborate. At > the inorganic level the weight (for lack of a better word) of the Static > patterns of Quality is almost insurmountable, that is why it takes billions > of years for Dynamic patterns to emerge, survive and have an impact. Then as > we go through Biological, Society, Intellect; this weighting changes. At the > Biological level we still have a very heavy Static pattern, but it is easier > by an enormous factor to impress evolutionary Dynamic changes than at the > inorganic level. At the Society level the weighting is more balanced, and it > takes a little focus on either side of the scale to tip it. I think this was > the turmoil that Pirsig talks about, that un-concluded war of the 20th > century between Society and Intellect, he proposed that the jury was still > out on that one.But what if we have turned that corner already? What if (the W > estern world) is at the Intellectual rung now? The rate of change is > infinite, in our 'old' and decrepit Western world language we would call it > by the word of 'chaos' but that is not the case, it is the triumph (maybe) of > the Intellect. Take the internet of things for instance. We can have > individuals delving in pure intellect existence for part of their lives. A > soliloquy of interaction with intellectual entities of numbers, codes and > signals, not with other humans. The utmost achievement will be when the > Turing test has been passed. Artificial Intelligence independent of Society, > Biology and Inorganic patterns or Quality.I am not a futurist or anything > like that. I just wanted to share a view of our modern times and journey > with the aid of Pirsig... or with the aid of my little understanding of > Pirsig I should say.Have a great day.A > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html
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