Craig,

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Craig Erb <craig_...@ymail.com> wrote:
> [Craig]
>> IMHO DNA is an inorganic pattern [as is carbon], so they are inappropriate 
>> for distinguishing the two respective levels.
>
> [Dan]
>> A genetic code is peculiar to the biological level whereas carbon is not.
>
> You need to know what pattern is at the biological level before you can 
> discover that DNA is its genetic code.  Therefore, DNA cannot be the criteria 
> for the biological level, only a derivative symptom of it.

Dan:
Isn't that like saying you need to know what pattern is at the
intellectual level before you can discover ideas? Therefore, ideas
cannot be the criteria for the intellectual level?

>
> [Dan]
>> You know your own experience. But how do you know another biological 
>> pattern's experience? For instance, how do you
>> know what scrambled eggs taste like to a cockroach?
>
> I don't, of course, nor do I know what scrambled eggs taste like to anyone 
> else but me.  But this doesn't prevent me from knowing all sorts of things 
> about other living things' experience.  For instance, I know an amoeba 
> doesn't value acid, because I see it back away.

Dan:
You can infer all sorts of things about other living things'
experience. You cannot know. Not like your own.

Dan

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