All,

I found an interesting and quite recent article by Paul Turner at http://robertpirsig.org/Two%20Contexts%20of%20the%20MOQ.html. This article has merit. It clearly points out an important starting point for discussion. The article is titled: "The Two Contexts of the Metaphysics of Quality".

In the article Turner identifies two contexts of the MOQ which he calls "the first context" and "the second context". I suggest the first context to be called the rhetorical context and the second context the dialectical context. The rhetorical context includes statements like the last sentence of this LILA citation:

"If you construct an encyclopedia of four topics-Inorganic, Biological, Social and Intellectual-nothing is left out. No 'thing,' that is. Only Dynamic Quality, which cannot be described in any encyclopedia, is absent."

The last sentence is obviously rhetorical, since Dynamic Quality is undefinable. Should the last sentence be interpreted as dialectical then it would follow that Dynamic Quality is defined in terms of having the property of "cannot be described in any encyclopedia". This would be contrary to the MOQ.

The dialectical context, on the other hand, includes things like logic.

If my suggestion about naming the two contexts is approved then Turner's article states that idealism is rhetoric and materialism is dialectic.

However, the theory of static value patterns is dialectic. And if idealism is an idea it's also a static pattern of value and as such may be subjected to dialectic. Furthemore, the mind-matter problem is dialectic. Which brings us back to the Heinous Quadrilemma, which is also dialectic.

* If materialism is good and idealism is good then the MOQ is inconsistent.
* If materialism is good then idealism isn't good so the MOQ isn't good, either. * If the MOQ offers a rhetorical solution to the mind-matter problem instead of a dialectical solution then the MOQ doesn't solve the mind-matter problem but merely encourages said problem to be ignored.

By the way, does Pirsig ever write that idealism is good? Or that materialism is true?

Regards,
Tuk
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