I have some family visiting for a day or two, but i will react tomorrow.
2016-11-02 7:33 GMT+01:00 Dan Glover <[email protected]>: > Hi Adrie, all, > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Dan used a word not so long ago, that nested itself in my mind. > > I liked the word, the term.I knew it would come in very handy later on. > > The word was beachcombing.Nobody went along with the story he wanted to > > tell,on that moment. > > If properly placed in a philosophical context it would be a good and > > usefull tool. > > Dan: > Lots of times I find it useful to clothe philosophical arguments in > stories. You know, to sort of liven things up a bit. I don't know. > Maybe that's why Robert Pirsig wrote philosophy in the form of novels. > Honestly, to me, a lot of philosophy is so dry I feel as if I am > trekking across a vast arid wasteland and man oh man am I thirsty and > in the distance I keep seeing what I think are large bodies of water > maybe lakes or even oceans only when I get closer I realize the water > I am seeing is only the heat roiling off the land causing a mirage > making me believe that perhaps I am coming to an end, getting closer > to the knowledge I seek. But of course there's no crying in baseball > just like there are no endings in philosophy. Silly me. > > I guess I am getting to a point in life where I am old enough to know > better yet still young enough not to give a... So yeah, beachcombing. > The ocean is like something eternal, forever washing up tiny treasures > with each passing day, the tides flowing in and out, the old slowly > giving way to the new, rocks being broken down to sand over the course > of eons, glass worn smooth. And every once in a while comes one of > those big old storms. Like a hurricane. A typhoon. Yeah, I like that > better. Stirring up the sediment long dormant. Forgotten. Languishing > at the bottom like miles deep where nobody sees it. > > Philosophy is the same way. Every once in a while someone comes along > and stirs things up. Hurricanes. Typhoons. Cyclones. Oh my. But > mostly, it's the snorers who dominate the spotlight. When a fellow > like Robert Pirsig erupts on the scene, the old timers just ignore > him. No mention whatsoever. Like maybe if they just keep on snoring > then nobody'll notice how the same old same old just keeps rolling in > and out of academia and they can keep on teaching their dull and dry > philosophy 101 read this and conform to that and besides, Pirsig's a > madman anyhow. He even said so. > > Beachcombing. That's what I do, if only metaphorically for now. But > there are times when I get to thinking how if there is a purpose in > life a purpose to life and I'm not saying there is, but if there is, > maybe beachcombing wouldn't be all that bad. Not a terrible thing to > devote oneself to. Get me a little place close to the beach because > well I don't have enough money to live on the beach and maybe find me > a Padma to read over my stuff, you know, someone to tell me how full > of it I am and not let my head get so big it won't fit through the > doorway. > > A fellow can dream, anyhow. Right? > > > > > maybe we should be beachcombing Whitehead's work,and comparisons like > > offered on the moq page-(Sneddon),as David is pointing towards. > > I did only read it diagonally and very fast, but it shows promising > toughts. > > I do not really oppose to Whitehead because John persists on him,just > like > > he did with Royce in a somewhat compulsive manner. > > Maybe we should start beachcombing along this Sneddon thesis.....,but > > this is not the colusseum and we are no gladiators.We should gain > > something out of it.Improvement. betterness.Progress=>=>=> > > > > Dan is very correct if he demands a man needs to know his case,there > > is no case whatsoever without the correct details.It shows itself in > remarks > > about reading Northrop/Whitehead in the bowels of the > troopship,presenting > > half-quote's > > or admitting like tuuk did, that he did not really read Lila. > > > > The doll is still to be found whilst beachcombing guys,and nobody here > > needs to be a professor. > > But simply stating that the moq is invalid (without reading the work), > > is drooling all over the place. > > > > > > I really wished that Dan would be still talking about his beachcombing, > > and found some dialogue.I like irl grounded story's.They tend to be very > > philosphical. > > > > Adrie > > > > > > > > 2016-11-01 18:51 GMT+01:00 John Carl <[email protected]>: > > > >> And admittedly, I was trying to get a rise out of y'all. So at least > that > >> worked. Thanks dmb for the link to the comparison by Sneddon. Very > >> helpful. > >> > >> jc > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 10:50 AM, John Carl <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> > My apologies. I'm getting old I guess, I thought it was Whitehead but > >> > you're right Andre of course Andre. > >> > > >> > > >> > sheesh, how embarrasing. I guess we all know who the REAL ignoramus > is. > >> > > >> > mea culpa > >> > > >> > John > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 7:47 AM, Andre Broersen < > [email protected] > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> John: > >> >> So "ignoramous" non-perjorativel then, but the fact is, he DID at > least > >> >> read some AN Whitehead. Quotes him > >> >> from reading his book on history of philosophy, in the bowels of the > >> >> troopship. > >> >> > >> >> dmb: > >> >> And speaking of fraudulent ignoramuses, nobody around here will be > >> >> surprised if John has tried to slander Pirsig or if has dishonestly > >> tried > >> >> to smuggle in a theistic view. Again. It's like a hobby, I guess. > Trolls > >> >> will be trolls. > >> >> > >> >> Andre: > >> >> And not only that but John bases the slander on false claims he > invents > >> >> himself. Phaedrus did not read A.N. Whitehead at all in the bowels of > >> the > >> >> troopship! He was reading F.S.C. Northrop ‘ The Meeting of East and > >> West”. > >> >> A simple reference to page 117 of ZMM will suffice (Corgi edition). > >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> >> Archives: > >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > "finite players > >> > play within boundaries. > >> > Infinite players > >> > play *with* boundaries." > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> "finite players > >> play within boundaries. > >> Infinite players > >> play *with* boundaries." > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > parser > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > -- > http://www.danglover.com > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
