Oeps, i did not made a hyperlink,another google feature emerges! disregard.
2017-09-30 18:05 GMT+02:00 Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]>: > @ Wes. > One of the highlights in Pirsig's work, is the absence of the creator, the > 'Absolute', and any form of mystic thruth, or mysticism.Pirsig made it > quite clear that they have no place in his work.In the Copleston > Annotations he rages several times about the 'Absolute', naming it as a > brand of vodka. > Its quite a bit strange that, whilst reading Lila, you accidentaly came > across these issue's regardless of some not beiing named or spoken of in > Lila. > > If you feel like in need of the 'Absolute', or the presence of the creator > as an > attribute to the Moq or Lila;do not bother....you will not find them in > Pirsig's work.Nor you will find mysticism along the lines.....in interviews > he gave or comments. > > I admit i pushed you a little to make you read Pirsig, or Lila,as i tought > it > would be appropriate for you to know the content.It was not my intention > to ridicule you or make myself look more clever. > Apparently you took the bait and started reading.Nice.It would be nice if > you started to discover things.... and talk about it. > > Maybe you have a very nice point with this Derwish related spinning. > Probably you are not aware of it , but my wife is Turkish,and her father > came from Kayseri (the former Cesarea) and that is in the same area as > where > Konya is.The Derwishes are very well known there and i have some knowledge > of Mevlana, Rumi, and related issue's. > But of course if you keep insisting to stay on the creators path,.....our > ways will have to part. > > > Try to keep a hawkseye on your terms and denotations and connotations. > I will give you an example. > > This is the last sentence ou the previous posting you made. > A statement made by you. > > quote Wes (out of context). > > "A stagnant system does not bring anyone to whirl." > > comment A3, > only partially thrue, as Pirsig was very clear about the static Moq. > I found it back on Dr Mc Watt's site, Moq.org > > The moq itself is static, unlike the Dynamic Quality it talks about.If you > can find it back on that page, i will give you a imaginary medal of honour. > > But you are not the first to make the remark, and you are right a static > reality does not rock. > > > I still have a little aside, Wes, as you keep writing, Pursig, > Persig,Ardrie, Ardie, > and Praedus,it dawned at me that you are possible a dyslectic person?...if > so,no problem,i will not make fun out of it,but i do not see mistakes in > the other parts of your postings, possibly the corrector interferes?.Just > let me know. > > A3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2017-09-30 5:59 GMT+02:00 WES STEWART <[email protected]>: > >> Hello Dan; >> >> Are you the sole keeper of all knowledge on this site? >> >> Why did you turn Ardie into a lackie; you should have stopped it. >> Ardie is a good man and he should write something that I could learn from. >> >> Why do you start with an opinion that this is a trump card, to any >> observations that others have made? >> >> Phraedus attacked only those who represented a system, he never bullied >> his opinions on students sitting in the back row. >> Everyone of us at this forum is a student sitting in the back row. >> >> Pirsig did not want to bring any whiff of religion into any of his >> writings and denied it; yet it was so. >> >> What exactly is a "Whirling dervish?" Why did Pirsig use this term? >> >> "He looked up in the sky and whirled. Ahhh, that felt good! He hadn’t >> whirled like that for years. >> Since he was four. He whirled again. The sky, the ocean, the hook, the >> bay, spun round and round him. He felt like a Whirling Dervish." >> From Lila: An Inquiry into Morals by Robert Pirsig >> >> It is only used as a term when you feel the presence of a creator. >> We whirl at young ages as Pirsig had done, we feel the presence of the >> creator. We whirl when we see value and quality in our reality. >> >> A stagnant system does not bring anyone to whirl. >> >> From: "Dan Glover" <[email protected]> >> To: "moq discuss" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:11:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [MD] The need for quality >> >> Wes, >> >> Have I offended you somehow? If so, I apologize. Our discussion will end >> here. >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 2:11 AM, WES STEWART <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hello Ardie; >> > >> > It does not matter that Dan had the opportunity to work with Pirsig >> himself. >> > I am aware aware of that also. But tell me why, that Horse had told me >> this group was dead? >> > >> > Does Dan have anything to learn? If he does not have anything to learn, >> > I suggest he fly to Japan and have a brief conversation with Jiro. >> > >> > If I had the money or time I would; want to meet Jiro. >> > >> > >> > From: "Adrie Kintziger" <[email protected]> >> > To: "moq discuss" <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 12:59:23 AM >> > Subject: Re: [MD] The need for quality >> > >> > Hi, Wes, I live in Belgium, and i have copy's of 'Zen'... and 'Lila', in >> > different language's.Belium is tri-lingual. It seems to depend on the >> > editor/corrector/translator and...the several runs of it publishing. >> > You are not correct as it differs for the L and l in the way you are >> > projecting. >> > >> > >> > Btw , Dan had the opportunity to work with Pirsig himself(the Author), >> on a >> > book follow -up called 'Lila's Child',to clarify some issue's, and Dan >> > became an expert on the Subject Lila,Lila's Child, and Pirsig's work >> > altogether. >> > If he offers something, it is nearly as good and solid,as it was given >> > first handed by Pirsig himself. >> > I also remember Pirsig making the statement about the Lilac's odor. >> > But Dan is correct,Lila is Pirsig.Lila is an imaginary product.Lila is >> > inorganic/organic/biological/intellectual. 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