This is an interesting discussion about Florida as I just finished reading all of the John D. MacDonald novels I have on hand.
My name is Tim and I haven’t posted here before. I was reading Lila when I joined this group and soon after my joining Pirsig died. Pirsig has been the major author influence in my life and I was reading Lila’s Child a few months ago, which led me to reread ZMM again, and had started rereading Lila again when the Pandemic started. In a search to find some lighter reading material I picked up John D. MacDonald. As a commentary on Florida his books are likely second to none. MacDonald was writing about conservation before Rachel Carson’s ‘Silent Spring’. Along with this commentary you also get a very well written story with interesting plots and in depth character development. You also get a good dose of philosophy. I had read some of MacDonald’s work when I was young and I loved the books then, but only now has come to appreciate how good of a writer he was. 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Re: Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends (Adrie Kintziger) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:54:49 -0400 > From: "Scribe" <scr...@club-hub.com> > To: <moq_disc...@moqtalk.org> > Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends > Message-ID: <000001d61e4f$47c12be0$d74383a0$@Club-Hub.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dan and Adrie, > As a nearly lifelong Floridian, (It does hurt admitting that) I can testify > that Florida has long been home to invasive species. Dan mentions a few, but > by far the most pernicious is humans. Today there are 10 times as many of > them in the state as when I entered elementary school. There is a serious > infestation southwest of Dan called the Villages where Conservative > northerners retire with their Stepford wives to ride golf carts and complain > about being taxed for schools. Sadly, unlike bears the Game and Fresh Water > Fish Commission cannot open a season on them. Dan is right there a still > many wild places here. I hope you are not too far from civilization as > native Floridians are a wild and crazy bunch, many are still fighting the > Civil War. As you move away from cities the number of Confederate flags > rises exponentially as do cars on blocks, roofless trailers, bad teeth, body > odor, and inbreeding. > And the heat. Did you mention the heat? High 80s is a cold snap. We sweat > from late March through February. > As a lad I grew up across from an orange grove, down a dead-end road from a > truck stop. At night we would fall asleep on sweaty sheets to the groan of > big rigs grinding through the gears headed north on two lanes of black > topped US 98. My mother still lives in the same house but now there are > hotels on either side of her house, a McDonalds and Hooter's in her back > yard. There is a mall on one end of her dead-end road and an interstate at > the other. > There was little of no air conditioning back in the day and mosquitos > usually found a way in through the open screened windows. We took some > grandkids to D.C. a couple of years ago and in the hall of statutes in the > Capitol each state gets to put two statues, usually of someone famous or > notable from the state. One of ours was John Gorrie, which drew a big "Huh?" > from everyone. Until it is pointed out that this is the dude who invented > Air Conditioning. Without him Florida would return to the gators, skeeters, > and Seminoles in less than a decade. > As you can might guess, I am not on the Florida Tourism Commission. That > said, welcome to Florida Dan. Glad you found a quiet spot. > We visited near Adrie's neck of the wood last year, Brussels, Amsterdam, > Copenhagen and Hamberg.... We stayed at a hotel near the Amsterdam airport, > which turned out to be farther away than I might have liked, but Amsterdam > is crazy. It had never previously occurred to me that you could be killed by > a bicycle. We went to the flower auction and Keukenhof. Beautiful places, > and what a concept, a theme park without animation. We did stray a bit into > the wild with a tour of a cheese/clog factory in the middle of nowhere. We > also visited Oxford a couple of years ago to see the site of Ant's > graduation debacle. Oh and last summer we drove through Bozeman and saw the > buildings where Pirsig taught. They also have a small computer museum in > Bozeman with and Apple I, signed by Steve Wozniak and one of only two > signature in the world of Ada Lovelace! > You might noted that my previous distain for tourism has morphed into full > blown adoption of the lifestyle. Call it hypocrisy but in today's climate, I > write it off to contagion. > Starting in April we were supposed to be headed back to Europe for a couple > of months but got stranded with the Covid. Damn, there was a tour of Greece > in there. I was hoping for a touch of Arete, or maybe stock tips from the > oracle at Delphi... > It really is a joy hearing from all of you. With any luck more will chime in > and who know what might happen. > Krimel > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-boun...@lists.moqtalk.org> On Behalf Of Dan > Glover > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:59 PM > To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org > Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends > > Hello Adrie, > > Though there's been millions of people moving into Florida, there are still > many wild places here where plants and animals thrive. Last summer they had > to shut down the Ocala National Forest just south of where I live on account > of the black bear population growing so much and possibly posing a danger to > human visitors. > > That's interesting about starlings. I was not aware they are originally from > Europe. Here in Florida there are many invasive species that seem to find a > niche in the ecosystem and become naturalized. Water hyacinths with their > thick woody stems are thought to have come from ballast tanks on steamers > back in the day. Armadillos were originally brought to Jacksonville in a > laboratory setting to study leprosy and escaped into the wild. Now they are > everywhere. Same with domesticated pigs that are now wild boars that grow to > enormous size. I can hear them alongside the shore when I take the boat out > into the swamps. > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:15 AM Adrie Kintziger <parser...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dan, most animals are returning here altough they were nearly pushed >> to extinction by the use of some agricultural supplements--,there are >> many apple orchards here , and the farmers used Chloormequat for too >> long.When i was young the swallows broke the electricitylines by their >> sheer weight.Same story for the starlings,they disappeared for nearly >> 40 years; only for now to come back.Yesterday we had a deer here at my >> house,not seen in the wild in what, -50 years.! >> Strangely, but the falcons here never left,partly because they adapted >> to the urbanisation,and fed on domestic pigeons. >> We also have harriers. >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_marsh_harrier >> >> Did you know the starlings in America are immigrants from >> Europe?...they were brought to New York at first. >> They even have migratory behavier there.. >> >> Adrie >> >> >> Op zo 26 apr. 2020 om 21:51 schreef Dan Glover <daneglo...@gmail.com>: >> >>> Hi Adrie! >>> >>> Yes, long time. Cormorants we have in abundance too. You can always >>> spot them perched ominously on a branch with wings displayed >>> menacingly. When >> I >>> first saw them standing like that, I thought they must be angry with >>> me over some perceived slight. Of course, all they are really doing >>> is >> drying >>> their feathers since they lack the oil producing glands of other >> waterfowl >>> like ducks and such. >>> >>> One blue heron frequents the canal here during the winter. You see >> him/her >>> coming down out of the sky like a falling mountain. It then stands >>> for hours on end staring intently at the water. The intensity of its >>> glare is rather startling, eyes never blinking. Then, all of a >>> sudden, you hear a splash and it comes rising up with a fish >>> wriggling in its beak. I am >> sure >>> if I had koi, they would be long gone by now. >>> >>> The otters here live mainly out on the rivers and swamps where vast >>> mats >> of >>> water hyacinths grow along the banks. Manatees also enjoy munching >>> on the hyacinths as well. Last spring, a mamma manatee and her calf >>> visited my canal for a couple days. You see them mostly out on the > rivers, though. >>> Same with the blue herons. Lots of them out in the swamps, along >>> with egrets and ospreys and eagles. I've noticed peregrine falcons as > well. >> You >>> can always tell them by their high-pitched screech. >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:34 AM Adrie Kintziger >>> <parser...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello , Dan, long time no see.. >>>> The blue herons along with the white are a real pest here.Two >>>> years >> ago a >>>> blu heron was able to >>>> steal most of my koi-he only left one in the pond.That one is >>>> still >> there >>>> now, with some goldfish.I had >>>> to cover the whole pond with nets on a permanent base.Another pest >>>> here >>> is >>>> the great cormorant which >>>> is a special guest at the canal here.They own it!. >>>> Few days ago the first otter was spotted in Zelzate in 50 years or >>> so,..in >>>> the yacht harbour. >>>> >>>> Adrie >>>> >>>> Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 21:42 schreef Dan Glover <daneglo...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> Hello old friends, >>>>> >>>>> A couple years ago I sold everything, gave away what I couldn't >>>>> sell, >>> and >>>>> moved from Chicago to Florida. I bought a shack perched >>>>> precariously >>>> close >>>>> to a canal in the swamps just outside Satsuma where I spend my >>>>> days >>>> sitting >>>>> in the sunshine reading and taking photos of gators, otters, and >>>>> blue herons. I was delighted the other day to see a reference to >>>>> Zen and >> the >>>> Art >>>>> of Motorcycle Maintenance in Quichotte (pronounced Key-Shot) by >> Salman >>>>> Rushdie but then again Rushdie seems to read everything. >>>>> >>>>> I am no longer writing as much as I did up north. I think part >>>>> of >> that >>>> has >>>>> to do with how it is sunny and warm and pleasant here even in >> December >>>> and >>>>> January and February whereas in Chicago the weather was intent >>>>> on >>> killing >>>>> me six months out of the year. I also like to think what I do >>>>> write >> now >>>> has >>>>> more quality than the torrent of words I once produced though in >> that I >>>> am >>>>> most likely fooling myself. >>>>> >>>>> I am also exercising quite a lot these days: walking, biking, >> running, >>>>> swimming. I daily take a chug from the fountain of youth and >>>>> dammit >> if >>> it >>>>> doesn't seem to be working. Listening to lots of music both new >>>>> and >>> old, >>>>> catch myself cranking up the volume. Miles Davis seems >>>>> particularly >>>> apropos >>>>> to these long and sunny Florida afternoons. >>>>> >>>>> Life is good. >>>>> >>>>> Dan >>>>> >>>>> A rip tide is raging >>>>> And the life guard is away >>>>> But the ocean doesn't want me today The ocean doesn't want me >>>>> today (Tom Waits) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:11 PM Adrie Kintziger >>>>> <parser...@gmail.com >>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Matt , and Krimel,and probably more of the usual suspects.. >>>>>> ,in >>> the >>>>>> run-up to my retirement and my daughter buying a house that i >>>>>> had >> to >>> do >>>>> up >>>>>> myself (3 yrs work), >>>>>> i halted my postings to the list.After some time it went >>>> silent.Probably >>>>> i >>>>>> was peeled out of the onion. Since then, i never checked >>>>>> anymore, >> nor >>>>> did i >>>>>> hear anything. >>>>>> So you are the first ,Matt. >>>>>> I still read many books.I fish extensively.Still riding my >>>>>> bicycle >>>> daily, >>>>>> do about 12000 miles a year.I have the bulk of time now. >>>>>> But its difficult to ride my normal tracks under lockdown and >>>>>> with >>> the >>>>>> Dutch borders closed up-normally i always ride in the >>>>>> Netherlands, >>> but >>>>> have >>>>>> to stay in Belgium nowadays. >>>>>> We cannot fish in the canal under the lockdown,and they are >>> patrolling >>>>> the >>>>>> little forest we have there , so the only thing we can do for >>>>>> now >> is >>>>>> cleaning , pruning the trees and just sit over there , on some >>>>>> distance from each other. Its our >>>> personal >>>>>> tranquility base , so we have to guard it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not know where you live Matt, and Krimel,i hope its a >>>>>> location >>>> that >>>>>> allows you to weather this viral storms ... >>>>>> Missed you all, Krimel included. >>>>>> Adrie >>>>>> >>>>>> Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 19:36 schreef Scribe <scr...@club-hub.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Matt, >>>>>>> Good to hear from you. I too have reflected on the old day >>>>>>> on the >>>> MoQ. >>>>> In >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> memory they take shape as Good old days in a way few >>>>>>> reflection >> on >>>> the >>>>>> past >>>>>>> do these days. >>>>>>> I left the MoQ after Horse and Ant threaten to reveal my >>>>>>> true >> name, >>>>>> which I >>>>>>> thought was a betrayal of trust. I went to graduate school >>>>>>> in >>>>>> communication >>>>>>> but dropped out after a six years as an ABD with a master's, >> mostly >>>>>> because >>>>>>> I got a full time teaching gig. I mostly taught Psychology >>>>>>> but >> also >>>>>> classes >>>>>>> in Communication and Philosophy. I retired last year and >>>>>>> spent >>> couple >>>>> of >>>>>>> months in Europe riding trains with my wife. We had similar >>>>>>> plans >>>> this >>>>>> year >>>>>>> but they have been delayed... >>>>>>> There is a serious irony for me with respect to the MoQ. >>>>>>> When I >>>> entered >>>>>>> graduate school, I was averaging four or five page of >>>>>>> writing a >> day >>>> for >>>>>> the >>>>>>> community. Graduate school gave me writer's block. It was >>>>>>> too >>>> focused, >>>>>> too >>>>>>> controlled, it had to be done. Don't get me wrong I wrote a >>>>>>> lot >> for >>>>>>> graduate >>>>>>> school but it was not for fun and other than being an >>>>>>> asshole on >>>>>> Facebook I >>>>>>> don't do it much these days. >>>>>>> Anyway, love me or hate me I miss all of you, well most of >>>>>>> you, >>>>> fiercely. >>>>>>> Krimel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-boun...@lists.moqtalk.org> On >>> Behalf >>>> Of >>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>> Kundert >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:41 AM >>>>>>> To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org >>>>>>> Subject: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's been three years since I've checked this email and five >> since >>> I >>>>>> wrote >>>>>>> to the listserve. I was just talking to a friend, outside, >>>>>>> 8 >> feet >>>>> away, >>>>>> on >>>>>>> a fold-out chair I brought with me, and she brought up ZMM. >>>>>>> We >>>>> chatted a >>>>>>> little while about it, and am going to give her one of the >>>>>>> many >>>> copies >>>>> I >>>>>>> still have squirreled away. I haven't read it since I >>>>>>> taught it >> in >>>>> 2014, >>>>>>> but I still think it is one of the most remarkably >>>>>>> structured >>> books. >>>>>> I've >>>>>>> been teaching "close reading" for over 10 years now, and its >>>>>> responsiveness >>>>>>> is a sign of its enduring quality of thought and feeling. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But that's just, maybe, the required nostalgic overture. >>>>>>> The >> real >>>>>>> nostalgia >>>>>>> I wanted to toss into this still pool was a Hello to any of >>>>>>> my >> old >>>>>> friends >>>>>>> and interlocutors who still receive these emails. I still >>>>>>> feel >>> that >>>> my >>>>>>> participation many years ago was integral to my intellectual >>>>>>> and >>>>>> stylistic >>>>>>> growth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope everyone is well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>> Former Apostate >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.or >>>>>>> g >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.or >>>>>>> g >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> parser >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> http://www.danglover.com >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> parser >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.danglover.com >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >> >> >> -- >> parser >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > > -- > http://www.danglover.com > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 20:43:16 +0200 > From: Adrie Kintziger <parser...@gmail.com> > To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org > Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends > Message-ID: > <CAFS_YJ4ZkxtLU0_g4Rzf3RR160=jvdp2nl-1uoa-rywt3xz...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > This posting made my rainy day , Krimel,-an infestation-what a mighty > stroke of your keyboardbrush! > I am aware of the temperature in Florida , because i visited Cuba long time > ago,and it was smokingly hot and humid,they use factor 100 there, > and we still got sunburn even in the shade, luckily there was always > wind.They have mildew there , and probably also in Florida, due to the heat > and humidity- > indeed, sweating even in one's sleep. > My wife is a native from Turkey, and sometimes we visit places like > say,Sanliurfa and Mardin;even hotter than Congo, superdry, absence of wind, > and high above sea, the temperature is dramatic there. > Great to hear that you visited the Keukenhof , Krimel , i was there two > years ago.(we have two gardens in Belgium , that are lesser known, but even > more beautiful), and yes, people get killed by bicycles > on a daily basis here.They are everywhere.I have all kinds, elektrical, > race,mtb , you name it.Broke my wrist in a very nasty way, 2 places last > year. > sorry , short of time, have to go for today. > Adrie > > Op wo 29 apr. 2020 om 19:56 schreef Scribe <scr...@club-hub.com>: > >> Dan and Adrie, >> As a nearly lifelong Floridian, (It does hurt admitting that) I can testify >> that Florida has long been home to invasive species. Dan mentions a few, >> but >> by far the most pernicious is humans. Today there are 10 times as many of >> them in the state as when I entered elementary school. There is a serious >> infestation southwest of Dan called the Villages where Conservative >> northerners retire with their Stepford wives to ride golf carts and >> complain >> about being taxed for schools. Sadly, unlike bears the Game and Fresh Water >> Fish Commission cannot open a season on them. Dan is right there a still >> many wild places here. I hope you are not too far from civilization as >> native Floridians are a wild and crazy bunch, many are still fighting the >> Civil War. As you move away from cities the number of Confederate flags >> rises exponentially as do cars on blocks, roofless trailers, bad teeth, >> body >> odor, and inbreeding. >> And the heat. Did you mention the heat? High 80s is a cold snap. We sweat >> from late March through February. >> As a lad I grew up across from an orange grove, down a dead-end road from a >> truck stop. At night we would fall asleep on sweaty sheets to the groan of >> big rigs grinding through the gears headed north on two lanes of black >> topped US 98. My mother still lives in the same house but now there are >> hotels on either side of her house, a McDonalds and Hooter's in her back >> yard. There is a mall on one end of her dead-end road and an interstate at >> the other. >> There was little of no air conditioning back in the day and mosquitos >> usually found a way in through the open screened windows. We took some >> grandkids to D.C. a couple of years ago and in the hall of statutes in the >> Capitol each state gets to put two statues, usually of someone famous or >> notable from the state. One of ours was John Gorrie, which drew a big >> "Huh?" >> from everyone. Until it is pointed out that this is the dude who invented >> Air Conditioning. Without him Florida would return to the gators, skeeters, >> and Seminoles in less than a decade. >> As you can might guess, I am not on the Florida Tourism Commission. That >> said, welcome to Florida Dan. Glad you found a quiet spot. >> We visited near Adrie's neck of the wood last year, Brussels, Amsterdam, >> Copenhagen and Hamberg.... We stayed at a hotel near the Amsterdam airport, >> which turned out to be farther away than I might have liked, but Amsterdam >> is crazy. It had never previously occurred to me that you could be killed >> by >> a bicycle. We went to the flower auction and Keukenhof. Beautiful places, >> and what a concept, a theme park without animation. We did stray a bit into >> the wild with a tour of a cheese/clog factory in the middle of nowhere. We >> also visited Oxford a couple of years ago to see the site of Ant's >> graduation debacle. Oh and last summer we drove through Bozeman and saw the >> buildings where Pirsig taught. They also have a small computer museum in >> Bozeman with and Apple I, signed by Steve Wozniak and one of only two >> signature in the world of Ada Lovelace! >> You might noted that my previous distain for tourism has morphed into full >> blown adoption of the lifestyle. Call it hypocrisy but in today's climate, >> I >> write it off to contagion. >> Starting in April we were supposed to be headed back to Europe for a couple >> of months but got stranded with the Covid. Damn, there was a tour of Greece >> in there. I was hoping for a touch of Arete, or maybe stock tips from the >> oracle at Delphi... >> It really is a joy hearing from all of you. With any luck more will chime >> in >> and who know what might happen. >> Krimel >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-boun...@lists.moqtalk.org> On Behalf Of Dan >> Glover >> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:59 PM >> To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org >> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >> >> Hello Adrie, >> >> Though there's been millions of people moving into Florida, there are still >> many wild places here where plants and animals thrive. Last summer they had >> to shut down the Ocala National Forest just south of where I live on >> account >> of the black bear population growing so much and possibly posing a danger >> to >> human visitors. >> >> That's interesting about starlings. I was not aware they are originally >> from >> Europe. Here in Florida there are many invasive species that seem to find a >> niche in the ecosystem and become naturalized. Water hyacinths with their >> thick woody stems are thought to have come from ballast tanks on steamers >> back in the day. Armadillos were originally brought to Jacksonville in a >> laboratory setting to study leprosy and escaped into the wild. Now they are >> everywhere. Same with domesticated pigs that are now wild boars that grow >> to >> enormous size. I can hear them alongside the shore when I take the boat out >> into the swamps. >> >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:15 AM Adrie Kintziger <parser...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Dan, most animals are returning here altough they were nearly pushed >>> to extinction by the use of some agricultural supplements--,there are >>> many apple orchards here , and the farmers used Chloormequat for too >>> long.When i was young the swallows broke the electricitylines by their >>> sheer weight.Same story for the starlings,they disappeared for nearly >>> 40 years; only for now to come back.Yesterday we had a deer here at my >>> house,not seen in the wild in what, -50 years.! >>> Strangely, but the falcons here never left,partly because they adapted >>> to the urbanisation,and fed on domestic pigeons. >>> We also have harriers. >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_marsh_harrier >>> >>> Did you know the starlings in America are immigrants from >>> Europe?...they were brought to New York at first. >>> They even have migratory behavier there.. >>> >>> Adrie >>> >>> >>> Op zo 26 apr. 2020 om 21:51 schreef Dan Glover <daneglo...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> Hi Adrie! >>>> >>>> Yes, long time. Cormorants we have in abundance too. You can always >>>> spot them perched ominously on a branch with wings displayed >>>> menacingly. When >>> I >>>> first saw them standing like that, I thought they must be angry with >>>> me over some perceived slight. Of course, all they are really doing >>>> is >>> drying >>>> their feathers since they lack the oil producing glands of other >>> waterfowl >>>> like ducks and such. >>>> >>>> One blue heron frequents the canal here during the winter. You see >>> him/her >>>> coming down out of the sky like a falling mountain. It then stands >>>> for hours on end staring intently at the water. The intensity of its >>>> glare is rather startling, eyes never blinking. Then, all of a >>>> sudden, you hear a splash and it comes rising up with a fish >>>> wriggling in its beak. I am >>> sure >>>> if I had koi, they would be long gone by now. >>>> >>>> The otters here live mainly out on the rivers and swamps where vast >>>> mats >>> of >>>> water hyacinths grow along the banks. Manatees also enjoy munching >>>> on the hyacinths as well. Last spring, a mamma manatee and her calf >>>> visited my canal for a couple days. You see them mostly out on the >> rivers, though. >>>> Same with the blue herons. Lots of them out in the swamps, along >>>> with egrets and ospreys and eagles. I've noticed peregrine falcons as >> well. >>> You >>>> can always tell them by their high-pitched screech. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:34 AM Adrie Kintziger >>>> <parser...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello , Dan, long time no see.. >>>>> The blue herons along with the white are a real pest here.Two >>>>> years >>> ago a >>>>> blu heron was able to >>>>> steal most of my koi-he only left one in the pond.That one is >>>>> still >>> there >>>>> now, with some goldfish.I had >>>>> to cover the whole pond with nets on a permanent base.Another pest >>>>> here >>>> is >>>>> the great cormorant which >>>>> is a special guest at the canal here.They own it!. >>>>> Few days ago the first otter was spotted in Zelzate in 50 years or >>>> so,..in >>>>> the yacht harbour. >>>>> >>>>> Adrie >>>>> >>>>> Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 21:42 schreef Dan Glover <daneglo...@gmail.com >>> : >>>>> >>>>>> Hello old friends, >>>>>> >>>>>> A couple years ago I sold everything, gave away what I couldn't >>>>>> sell, >>>> and >>>>>> moved from Chicago to Florida. I bought a shack perched >>>>>> precariously >>>>> close >>>>>> to a canal in the swamps just outside Satsuma where I spend my >>>>>> days >>>>> sitting >>>>>> in the sunshine reading and taking photos of gators, otters, and >>>>>> blue herons. I was delighted the other day to see a reference to >>>>>> Zen and >>> the >>>>> Art >>>>>> of Motorcycle Maintenance in Quichotte (pronounced Key-Shot) by >>> Salman >>>>>> Rushdie but then again Rushdie seems to read everything. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am no longer writing as much as I did up north. I think part >>>>>> of >>> that >>>>> has >>>>>> to do with how it is sunny and warm and pleasant here even in >>> December >>>>> and >>>>>> January and February whereas in Chicago the weather was intent >>>>>> on >>>> killing >>>>>> me six months out of the year. I also like to think what I do >>>>>> write >>> now >>>>> has >>>>>> more quality than the torrent of words I once produced though in >>> that I >>>>> am >>>>>> most likely fooling myself. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am also exercising quite a lot these days: walking, biking, >>> running, >>>>>> swimming. I daily take a chug from the fountain of youth and >>>>>> dammit >>> if >>>> it >>>>>> doesn't seem to be working. Listening to lots of music both new >>>>>> and >>>> old, >>>>>> catch myself cranking up the volume. Miles Davis seems >>>>>> particularly >>>>> apropos >>>>>> to these long and sunny Florida afternoons. >>>>>> >>>>>> Life is good. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dan >>>>>> >>>>>> A rip tide is raging >>>>>> And the life guard is away >>>>>> But the ocean doesn't want me today The ocean doesn't want me >>>>>> today (Tom Waits) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:11 PM Adrie Kintziger >>>>>> <parser...@gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Matt , and Krimel,and probably more of the usual suspects.. >>>>>>> ,in >>>> the >>>>>>> run-up to my retirement and my daughter buying a house that i >>>>>>> had >>> to >>>> do >>>>>> up >>>>>>> myself (3 yrs work), >>>>>>> i halted my postings to the list.After some time it went >>>>> silent.Probably >>>>>> i >>>>>>> was peeled out of the onion. Since then, i never checked >>>>>>> anymore, >>> nor >>>>>> did i >>>>>>> hear anything. >>>>>>> So you are the first ,Matt. >>>>>>> I still read many books.I fish extensively.Still riding my >>>>>>> bicycle >>>>> daily, >>>>>>> do about 12000 miles a year.I have the bulk of time now. >>>>>>> But its difficult to ride my normal tracks under lockdown and >>>>>>> with >>>> the >>>>>>> Dutch borders closed up-normally i always ride in the >>>>>>> Netherlands, >>>> but >>>>>> have >>>>>>> to stay in Belgium nowadays. >>>>>>> We cannot fish in the canal under the lockdown,and they are >>>> patrolling >>>>>> the >>>>>>> little forest we have there , so the only thing we can do for >>>>>>> now >>> is >>>>>>> cleaning , pruning the trees and just sit over there , on some >>>>>>> distance from each other. Its our >>>>> personal >>>>>>> tranquility base , so we have to guard it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do not know where you live Matt, and Krimel,i hope its a >>>>>>> location >>>>> that >>>>>>> allows you to weather this viral storms ... >>>>>>> Missed you all, Krimel included. >>>>>>> Adrie >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 19:36 schreef Scribe <scr...@club-hub.com >>> : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Matt, >>>>>>>> Good to hear from you. I too have reflected on the old day >>>>>>>> on the >>>>> MoQ. >>>>>> In >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> memory they take shape as Good old days in a way few >>>>>>>> reflection >>> on >>>>> the >>>>>>> past >>>>>>>> do these days. >>>>>>>> I left the MoQ after Horse and Ant threaten to reveal my >>>>>>>> true >>> name, >>>>>>> which I >>>>>>>> thought was a betrayal of trust. I went to graduate school >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>> communication >>>>>>>> but dropped out after a six years as an ABD with a master's, >>> mostly >>>>>>> because >>>>>>>> I got a full time teaching gig. I mostly taught Psychology >>>>>>>> but >>> also >>>>>>> classes >>>>>>>> in Communication and Philosophy. I retired last year and >>>>>>>> spent >>>> couple >>>>>> of >>>>>>>> months in Europe riding trains with my wife. We had similar >>>>>>>> plans >>>>> this >>>>>>> year >>>>>>>> but they have been delayed... >>>>>>>> There is a serious irony for me with respect to the MoQ. >>>>>>>> When I >>>>> entered >>>>>>>> graduate school, I was averaging four or five page of >>>>>>>> writing a >>> day >>>>> for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> community. Graduate school gave me writer's block. It was >>>>>>>> too >>>>> focused, >>>>>>> too >>>>>>>> controlled, it had to be done. Don't get me wrong I wrote a >>>>>>>> lot >>> for >>>>>>>> graduate >>>>>>>> school but it was not for fun and other than being an >>>>>>>> asshole on >>>>>>> Facebook I >>>>>>>> don't do it much these days. >>>>>>>> Anyway, love me or hate me I miss all of you, well most of >>>>>>>> you, >>>>>> fiercely. >>>>>>>> Krimel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-boun...@lists.moqtalk.org> On >>>> Behalf >>>>> Of >>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>> Kundert >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:41 AM >>>>>>>> To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org >>>>>>>> Subject: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's been three years since I've checked this email and five >>> since >>>> I >>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>>> to the listserve. I was just talking to a friend, outside, >>>>>>>> 8 >>> feet >>>>>> away, >>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> a fold-out chair I brought with me, and she brought up ZMM. >>>>>>>> We >>>>>> chatted a >>>>>>>> little while about it, and am going to give her one of the >>>>>>>> many >>>>> copies >>>>>> I >>>>>>>> still have squirreled away. I haven't read it since I >>>>>>>> taught it >>> in >>>>>> 2014, >>>>>>>> but I still think it is one of the most remarkably >>>>>>>> structured >>>> books. >>>>>>> I've >>>>>>>> been teaching "close reading" for over 10 years now, and its >>>>>>> responsiveness >>>>>>>> is a sign of its enduring quality of thought and feeling. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But that's just, maybe, the required nostalgic overture. >>>>>>>> The >>> real >>>>>>>> nostalgia >>>>>>>> I wanted to toss into this still pool was a Hello to any of >>>>>>>> my >>> old >>>>>>> friends >>>>>>>> and interlocutors who still receive these emails. I still >>>>>>>> feel >>>> that >>>>> my >>>>>>>> participation many years ago was integral to my intellectual >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>> stylistic >>>>>>>> growth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope everyone is well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>> Former Apostate >>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.or >>>>>>>> g >>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.or >>>>>>>> g >>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> parser >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> http://www.danglover.com >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> parser >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.danglover.com >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> parser >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.danglover.com >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > > -- > parser > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Moq_Discuss@lists.moqtalk.org > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Moq_Discuss Digest, Vol 147, Issue 6 > ******************************************* Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
