Hi Adrie, Yes, beech tree sounds right. I used to burn wood to heat the house when I lived up north but here it isn't needed. I don't even have a furnace. An air conditioner is definitely called for, however. Florida is known for its orchids, many which grow wild and nowhere else in the world. I just read a book called The Orchid Thief by Susan Orlean which is really marvelous.
Take care, Dan On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 12:50 PM Adrie Kintziger <parser...@gmail.com> wrote: > It's still a joy to read your writings , Dan,as are those of Krimel. > I think you were talking about a beech tree, given the borers and the thin > bark, which is a hallmark of them. > I'm a fervent wood burner myself, and i have a very big stash at my > forest.Beech, birch, maple,oak,walnut, > and also , maybe to your surprise, the american black locust;it is planted > here for firewood and fence poles, > and it goes high prices,other than in America,here it is not infested with > pests, and grows fast and flawless. > To give you an idea about the value,1 fence-pole is about 60 euro.Needles > to say not many people use it to > heat themselves.We call it false Acacia.I also have one very rare orchid in > the forest,it is guarded by the state > and has a camera of its own!.. > > Adrie-short of time. > > Op wo 6 mei 2020 om 02:12 schreef Scribe <scr...@club-hub.com>: > > > I'd say you nailed it pretty well, Dan. > > I guess the more I learn the harder it all becomes to justify or excuse > it > > all. By the 1930s thousands of African Americans had been lynched in a > 100 > > year campaign of state sponsored terrorism. During the 1930's Sons and > > Daughters of the Confederacy erected statues and monuments around > > courthouses and public places as reminders of who was really in charge. > > Neither uppitiness nor any assertion of constitutional rights was > tolerated > > among those deemed unworthy. As a kid I saw Whites or Colored Only signs > > over water fountains and restrooms. Public schools and many restaurants > > were > > segregated until my senior year in high school. As a small town newspaper > > reporter in the 70s I interviewed George Wallace as he ran for president > > from a wheelchair. > > As Dan so eloquently suggests, race remains a stain on our national soul. > > > > An interesting spot you've picked there Dan. I don't get to that area, > > ever, > > but the access to the St. John is very nice. It would make a very > Pirsigian > > epic journey to travel it. You can get all the way to South Florida and > out > > into the Caribbean, can't you? You thinking along those lines. I could > > maybe > > meet you around Lake Kissimmee in the After Life. > > Krimel > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-boun...@lists.moqtalk.org> On Behalf Of > Dan > > Glover > > Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 9:14 PM > > To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org > > Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends > > > > Hello Adrie, > > > > The Confederacy lost the war but the idea beneath its foundation, or > rather > > the social patterns upon which it rests, are as prevalent today as they > > were > > a hundred and fifty years ago. Just so you know, I am not a southern > man. I > > was raised in the north. I like to think my views on race and hate and > > prejudice are more, how would you put it... evolved. But I am a white man > > and as such I realize that I have availed myself, even if unwittingly, > to a > > privilege not afforded a person of color in this country. > > > > I was just listening to a song by Nina Simone (I love Nina Simone) called > > Strange Fruit. Billie Holiday also recorded the song though personally I > > prefer Nina's version. It was written by Abel Meeropol (a Jewish > American) > > back in the day after he saw a photograph of the lynching of Thomas Shipp > > and Abraham Smith which took place in the southern USA in August of 1930. > > This fear, this hate, this total disregard for human life is what the > > Confederate flag represented, and still represents, whether those who fly > > it > > realize that fact or not. > > > > It would be easy to blame those who hold these views, to label them as > > white > > supremacists, as bigots and racists. But they did not get that way in a > > vacuum. The culture in which they came of age inculcated in those people > a > > rage against anything that does not conform to their own views. Do I > > dislike > > them on a personal level? Yes. I cannot help it. But my dislike isn't > going > > to alter their way of thinking. Not one iota. > > > > So what's the answer? > > > > Perhaps to live in their world without being part of that world. If a > > neighbor needs a hand fixing a dock, there I am, waist deep in the canal, > > helping. Maybe their mower isn't working and their yard's gotten away > from > > them. I got time to mow it for them on my rider. Could be I'm out for a > > walk, I notice a man trimming his trees, and it seems to me he might > need a > > hand. I stop and give it. When I look up, there it is. That Confederate > > flag > > flapping in the breeze. > > > > The one thing I never do is accept an invitation to dinner when the work > is > > done, or even sit down for a beer. Our views of the world are so > divergent > > that all we are going to do is piss each other off. When I look at a > > person, > > I like to think I see that person, not the color of their skin or their > > nationality. Then again, I also realize I am part of a culture that > revels > > in xenophobia. The tendency to hate those who are not like me is always > > there, bubbling and boiling just below the surface. > > > > Are the poor and uneducated more likely to harbor deep-seated prejudices? > > Absolutely. And this works both ways, work to create a vicious cycle of > > poverty and want that continues generation after generation. So here in > the > > US you get inner-city ghettos where most of the inhabitants are > > white-hating > > blacks, and vast series of white suburban villages where you can drive > for > > hours without seeing one black person. Still, I think this poverty has > more > > to do with absence of empathy than it does with lack of money. > > > > Anyway. > > > > It was very warm and sunny here today. I pulled on my hat, grabbed the > > camera and tripod, and took the boat out this afternoon though I am not a > > fisherman. I can't stand the way they look at me and scream when you > remove > > the hook. But I was able to snap some nice photos of a gator I caught > > napping with the sunshine on his (her?) shoulders while perched on an old > > beach log that was half submerged in the swamp. At least I assumed it > was a > > beach tree, what with the squiggles and nonsensical runes written upon it > > by > > beetles boring beneath the bark it once wore. > > > > I could almost read them. > > > > Take care, > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 2:47 PM Adrie Kintziger <parser...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi , Dan, you are probably right,about it all to be a matter of > > > perspective,and i used some days to reconsider Krimel's toughts, along > > > with yours , and took the liberty of downloading "The birth Of A > > > Nation", to better understand the scenery Krimel implied with the > > > confederate flag story-and to have some of the visual stills that are > > > implied in your words.Basically it_is_a matter of perspective, but it > > > does not unfold into the eye of the beholder if a person is not > > > receptive or pre-occupied.To give you an example that there is more to > > > it, there is a program here in Belgium on the cable, with Wayne Carini > > > selling cars at Amelia Island, at auctions there. > > > I always watch it , for the scenery, and he is the spitting image of > > > my late father.But i know how nice these Island are and here in the > > > Netherlands we also have islands like that, called the > > > "Waddeneilanden", also with the best beaches in the world and some > > > even without cars.Very beautiful,extremely populair as wintering den. > > > Also they have a similar stretch of water between them and the > > > mainland, full of eddy's and fish and currents. > > > I also took the liberty , yesterday to take in some touristic info > > > about Amelia Island and its surroundings, on one of the site's they > > > had some arrangements specially for military veterans,and group > > > discounts if they were to bring their friends ....tought back at > > > Krimels line of reasoning with the confederate flags and all;....the > > > term blackwater emerged in my mind, and that would not have happened > > > without Krimels induction. > > > > > > So the matter of perspective here,well, if a person, say like Krimel , > > > or me or you would have the cash to buy a condo on the beach on Amelia > > > or West Palm , probably then, the story would be different from the > > > Orange grove's with the smudge pots or the phosphate strip mining. > > > > > > They allowed fishing today again,so i was out with my Bosnian friends > > > onto the forest to fish all day and had a great catch, it really made > > > my day. > > > > > > Toughts , Dan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Op do 30 apr. 2020 om 06:06 schreef Dan Glover <daneglo...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > Hi Krimel, > > > > > > > > Awesome of you to write, and thanks for the welcome. I am (nearly) a > > > > lifelong resident of Chicago where yes, humans have also invaded. > > > > Like Florida, Chicago sits just a few feet above the water table. > > > > But unlike Florida, the winters are brutal. So when the temps here > > > > drop way down > > > into > > > > the 70s and 80s and I need to pull a jacket on, well, I feel I am > > > settling > > > > in nicely. > > > > > > > > Many of my neighbors here in the swamp are native Floridians and yes > > > > I do see a lot of Confederate flags waving happily in the breeze. We > > > > seem to > > > get > > > > along fine, however, even though I'm that guy who talks sort of > > > > funny. On the other hand, I stay far away from the gated communities > > > > that tend to proliferate nearer to the cities, like World Golf > > > > Village. Not that > > > they'd > > > > let me in anyhow. > > > > > > > > For me, Florida is about reinventing yourself. Not purposely, > > > > perhaps, > > > but > > > > more along the lines of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance > > > > where > > > the > > > > narrator says: The real cycle you're working on is a cycle called > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > I like to think perhaps there are still places in the world where a > > > person > > > > can do or be anything they want, or even not do or not be anything > > > > at all if that's what they want, and maybe this is one of those > > > > places. But then again perhaps it is all simply a matter of > > perspective. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for writing, > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:56 PM Scribe <scr...@club-hub.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dan and Adrie, > > > > > As a nearly lifelong Floridian, (It does hurt admitting that) I > > > > > can > > > > testify > > > > > that Florida has long been home to invasive species. Dan mentions > > > > > a > > > few, > > > > > but > > > > > by far the most pernicious is humans. Today there are 10 times as > > > > > many > > > of > > > > > them in the state as when I entered elementary school. There is a > > > serious > > > > > infestation southwest of Dan called the Villages where > > > > > Conservative northerners retire with their Stepford wives to ride > > > > > golf carts and complain about being taxed for schools. Sadly, > > > > > unlike bears the Game and Fresh > > > > Water > > > > > Fish Commission cannot open a season on them. Dan is right there a > > > still > > > > > many wild places here. I hope you are not too far from > > > > > civilization as native Floridians are a wild and crazy bunch, many > > > > > are still fighting > > > the > > > > > Civil War. As you move away from cities the number of Confederate > > > > > flags rises exponentially as do cars on blocks, roofless trailers, > > > > > bad teeth, body odor, and inbreeding. > > > > > And the heat. Did you mention the heat? High 80s is a cold snap. > > > > > We > > > sweat > > > > > from late March through February. > > > > > As a lad I grew up across from an orange grove, down a dead-end > > > > > road > > > > from a > > > > > truck stop. At night we would fall asleep on sweaty sheets to the > > > > > groan > > > > of > > > > > big rigs grinding through the gears headed north on two lanes of > > > > > black topped US 98. My mother still lives in the same house but > > > > > now there are hotels on either side of her house, a McDonalds and > > > > > Hooter's in her > > > back > > > > > yard. There is a mall on one end of her dead-end road and an > > > > > interstate > > > > at > > > > > the other. > > > > > There was little of no air conditioning back in the day and > > > > > mosquitos usually found a way in through the open screened > > > > > windows. We took some grandkids to D.C. a couple of years ago and > > > > > in the hall of statutes in > > > > the > > > > > Capitol each state gets to put two statues, usually of someone > > > > > famous > > > or > > > > > notable from the state. One of ours was John Gorrie, which drew a > > > > > big "Huh?" > > > > > from everyone. Until it is pointed out that this is the dude who > > > invented > > > > > Air Conditioning. Without him Florida would return to the gators, > > > > skeeters, > > > > > and Seminoles in less than a decade. > > > > > As you can might guess, I am not on the Florida Tourism Commission. > > > That > > > > > said, welcome to Florida Dan. Glad you found a quiet spot. > > > > > We visited near Adrie's neck of the wood last year, Brussels, > > > Amsterdam, > > > > > Copenhagen and Hamberg.... We stayed at a hotel near the Amsterdam > > > > airport, > > > > > which turned out to be farther away than I might have liked, but > > > > Amsterdam > > > > > is crazy. It had never previously occurred to me that you could be > > > killed > > > > > by > > > > > a bicycle. We went to the flower auction and Keukenhof. Beautiful > > > places, > > > > > and what a concept, a theme park without animation. We did stray a > > > > > bit > > > > into > > > > > the wild with a tour of a cheese/clog factory in the middle of > > nowhere. > > > > We > > > > > also visited Oxford a couple of years ago to see the site of Ant's > > > > > graduation debacle. Oh and last summer we drove through Bozeman > > > > > and saw > > > > the > > > > > buildings where Pirsig taught. They also have a small computer > > > > > museum > > > in > > > > > Bozeman with and Apple I, signed by Steve Wozniak and one of only > > > > > two signature in the world of Ada Lovelace! > > > > > You might noted that my previous distain for tourism has morphed > > > > > into > > > > full > > > > > blown adoption of the lifestyle. Call it hypocrisy but in today's > > > > climate, > > > > > I > > > > > write it off to contagion. > > > > > Starting in April we were supposed to be headed back to Europe for > > > > > a > > > > couple > > > > > of months but got stranded with the Covid. Damn, there was a tour > > > > > of > > > > Greece > > > > > in there. I was hoping for a touch of Arete, or maybe stock tips > > > > > from > > > the > > > > > oracle at Delphi... > > > > > It really is a joy hearing from all of you. With any luck more > > > > > will > > > chime > > > > > in > > > > > and who know what might happen. > > > > > Krimel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-boun...@lists.moqtalk.org> On > > > > > Behalf Of > > > > Dan > > > > > Glover > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:59 PM > > > > > To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends > > > > > > > > > > Hello Adrie, > > > > > > > > > > Though there's been millions of people moving into Florida, there > > > > > are > > > > still > > > > > many wild places here where plants and animals thrive. Last summer > > > > > they > > > > had > > > > > to shut down the Ocala National Forest just south of where I live > > > > > on account of the black bear population growing so much and > > > > > possibly posing a > > > danger > > > > > to > > > > > human visitors. > > > > > > > > > > That's interesting about starlings. I was not aware they are > > > > > originally from Europe. Here in Florida there are many invasive > > > > > species that seem to > > > > find a > > > > > niche in the ecosystem and become naturalized. Water hyacinths > > > > > with > > > their > > > > > thick woody stems are thought to have come from ballast tanks on > > > steamers > > > > > back in the day. Armadillos were originally brought to > > > > > Jacksonville in > > > a > > > > > laboratory setting to study leprosy and escaped into the wild. Now > > > > > they > > > > are > > > > > everywhere. Same with domesticated pigs that are now wild boars > > > > > that > > > grow > > > > > to > > > > > enormous size. I can hear them alongside the shore when I take the > > > > > boat > > > > out > > > > > into the swamps. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:15 AM Adrie Kintziger > > > > > <parser...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, most animals are returning here altough they were nearly > > > > > > pushed to extinction by the use of some agricultural > > > > > > supplements--,there are many apple orchards here , and the > > > > > > farmers used Chloormequat for too long.When i was young the > > > > > > swallows broke the electricitylines by > > > their > > > > > > sheer weight.Same story for the starlings,they disappeared for > > > > > > nearly > > > > > > 40 years; only for now to come back.Yesterday we had a deer here > > > > > > at > > > my > > > > > > house,not seen in the wild in what, -50 years.! > > > > > > Strangely, but the falcons here never left,partly because they > > > adapted > > > > > > to the urbanisation,and fed on domestic pigeons. > > > > > > We also have harriers. > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_marsh_harrier > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know the starlings in America are immigrants from > > > > > > Europe?...they were brought to New York at first. > > > > > > They even have migratory behavier there.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Adrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Op zo 26 apr. 2020 om 21:51 schreef Dan Glover > > > > > > <daneglo...@gmail.com > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Adrie! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, long time. Cormorants we have in abundance too. You can > > > > > > > always spot them perched ominously on a branch with wings > > > > > > > displayed menacingly. When > > > > > > I > > > > > > > first saw them standing like that, I thought they must be > > > > > > > angry > > > with > > > > > > > me over some perceived slight. Of course, all they are really > > > > > > > doing is > > > > > > drying > > > > > > > their feathers since they lack the oil producing glands of > > > > > > > other > > > > > > waterfowl > > > > > > > like ducks and such. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One blue heron frequents the canal here during the winter. > > > > > > > You see > > > > > > him/her > > > > > > > coming down out of the sky like a falling mountain. It then > > > > > > > stands for hours on end staring intently at the water. The > > > > > > > intensity of > > > its > > > > > > > glare is rather startling, eyes never blinking. Then, all of a > > > > > > > sudden, you hear a splash and it comes rising up with a fish > > > > > > > wriggling in its beak. I am > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > if I had koi, they would be long gone by now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The otters here live mainly out on the rivers and swamps where > > > > > > > vast mats > > > > > > of > > > > > > > water hyacinths grow along the banks. Manatees also enjoy > > > > > > > munching on the hyacinths as well. Last spring, a mamma > > > > > > > manatee and her calf visited my canal for a couple days. You > > > > > > > see them mostly out on the > > > > > rivers, though. > > > > > > > Same with the blue herons. Lots of them out in the swamps, > > > > > > > along with egrets and ospreys and eagles. I've noticed > > > > > > > peregrine falcons > > > as > > > > > well. > > > > > > You > > > > > > > can always tell them by their high-pitched screech. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:34 AM Adrie Kintziger > > > > > > > <parser...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello , Dan, long time no see.. > > > > > > > > The blue herons along with the white are a real pest > > > > > > > > here.Two years > > > > > > ago a > > > > > > > > blu heron was able to > > > > > > > > steal most of my koi-he only left one in the pond.That one > > > > > > > > is still > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > now, with some goldfish.I had to cover the whole pond with > > > > > > > > nets on a permanent base.Another > > > pest > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the great cormorant which > > > > > > > > is a special guest at the canal here.They own it!. > > > > > > > > Few days ago the first otter was spotted in Zelzate in 50 > > > > > > > > years > > > or > > > > > > > so,..in > > > > > > > > the yacht harbour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 21:42 schreef Dan Glover < > > > > daneglo...@gmail.com > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello old friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A couple years ago I sold everything, gave away what I > > > > > > > > > couldn't sell, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > moved from Chicago to Florida. I bought a shack perched > > > > > > > > > precariously > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > to a canal in the swamps just outside Satsuma where I > > > > > > > > > spend my days > > > > > > > > sitting > > > > > > > > > in the sunshine reading and taking photos of gators, > > > > > > > > > otters, > > > and > > > > > > > > > blue herons. I was delighted the other day to see a > > > > > > > > > reference > > > to > > > > > > > > > Zen and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Art > > > > > > > > > of Motorcycle Maintenance in Quichotte (pronounced > > > > > > > > > Key-Shot) by > > > > > > Salman > > > > > > > > > Rushdie but then again Rushdie seems to read everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no longer writing as much as I did up north. I think > > > > > > > > > part of > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > to do with how it is sunny and warm and pleasant here even > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > December > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > January and February whereas in Chicago the weather was > > > > > > > > > intent on > > > > > > > killing > > > > > > > > > me six months out of the year. I also like to think what I > > > > > > > > > do write > > > > > > now > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > more quality than the torrent of words I once produced > > > > > > > > > though > > > in > > > > > > that I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > most likely fooling myself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also exercising quite a lot these days: walking, > > > > > > > > > biking, > > > > > > running, > > > > > > > > > swimming. I daily take a chug from the fountain of youth > > > > > > > > > and dammit > > > > > > if > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > doesn't seem to be working. Listening to lots of music > > > > > > > > > both new and > > > > > > > old, > > > > > > > > > catch myself cranking up the volume. Miles Davis seems > > > > > > > > > particularly > > > > > > > > apropos > > > > > > > > > to these long and sunny Florida afternoons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life is good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A rip tide is raging > > > > > > > > > And the life guard is away But the ocean doesn't want me > > > > > > > > > today The ocean doesn't want me today (Tom Waits) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:11 PM Adrie Kintziger > > > > > > > > > <parser...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Matt , and Krimel,and probably more of the usual > > > suspects.. > > > > > > > > > > ,in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > run-up to my retirement and my daughter buying a house > > > > > > > > > > that i had > > > > > > to > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > myself (3 yrs work), > > > > > > > > > > i halted my postings to the list.After some time it went > > > > > > > > silent.Probably > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > was peeled out of the onion. Since then, i never checked > > > > > > > > > > anymore, > > > > > > nor > > > > > > > > > did i > > > > > > > > > > hear anything. > > > > > > > > > > So you are the first ,Matt. > > > > > > > > > > I still read many books.I fish extensively.Still riding > > > > > > > > > > my bicycle > > > > > > > > daily, > > > > > > > > > > do about 12000 miles a year.I have the bulk of time now. > > > > > > > > > > But its difficult to ride my normal tracks under > > > > > > > > > > lockdown and with > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Dutch borders closed up-normally i always ride in the > > > > > > > > > > Netherlands, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > to stay in Belgium nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > We cannot fish in the canal under the lockdown,and they > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > patrolling > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > little forest we have there , so the only thing we can > > > > > > > > > > do for now > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > cleaning , pruning the trees and just sit over there , > > > > > > > > > > on > > > some > > > > > > > > > > distance from each other. Its our > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > > tranquility base , so we have to guard it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you live Matt, and Krimel,i hope its > > > > > > > > > > a location > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > allows you to weather this viral storms ... > > > > > > > > > > Missed you all, Krimel included. > > > > > > > > > > Adrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 19:36 schreef Scribe < > > > > scr...@club-hub.com > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Matt, > > > > > > > > > > > Good to hear from you. I too have reflected on the old > > > > > > > > > > > day on the > > > > > > > > MoQ. > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > memory they take shape as Good old days in a way few > > > > > > > > > > > reflection > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > past > > > > > > > > > > > do these days. > > > > > > > > > > > I left the MoQ after Horse and Ant threaten to reveal > > > > > > > > > > > my true > > > > > > name, > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > thought was a betrayal of trust. I went to graduate > > > > > > > > > > > school in > > > > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > > but dropped out after a six years as an ABD with a > > > master's, > > > > > > mostly > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > I got a full time teaching gig. I mostly taught > > > > > > > > > > > Psychology but > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > classes > > > > > > > > > > > in Communication and Philosophy. I retired last year > > > > > > > > > > > and spent > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > months in Europe riding trains with my wife. We had > > > > > > > > > > > similar plans > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > but they have been delayed... > > > > > > > > > > > There is a serious irony for me with respect to the > MoQ. > > > > > > > > > > > When I > > > > > > > > entered > > > > > > > > > > > graduate school, I was averaging four or five page of > > > > > > > > > > > writing a > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > community. Graduate school gave me writer's block. It > > > > > > > > > > > was too > > > > > > > > focused, > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > controlled, it had to be done. Don't get me wrong I > > > > > > > > > > > wrote a lot > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > graduate > > > > > > > > > > > school but it was not for fun and other than being an > > > > > > > > > > > asshole on > > > > > > > > > > Facebook I > > > > > > > > > > > don't do it much these days. > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, love me or hate me I miss all of you, well > > > > > > > > > > > most of you, > > > > > > > > > fiercely. > > > > > > > > > > > Krimel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > From: Moq_Discuss > > > > > > > > > > > <moq_discuss-boun...@lists.moqtalk.org> > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf > > > > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > Kundert > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:41 AM > > > > > > > > > > > To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's been three years since I've checked this email > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > five > > > > > > since > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > > > > to the listserve. I was just talking to a friend, > > > > > > > > > > > outside, > > > > > > > > > > > 8 > > > > > > feet > > > > > > > > > away, > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > a fold-out chair I brought with me, and she brought up > > ZMM. > > > > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > chatted a > > > > > > > > > > > little while about it, and am going to give her one of > > > > > > > > > > > the many > > > > > > > > copies > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > still have squirreled away. I haven't read it since I > > > > > > > > > > > taught it > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 2014, > > > > > > > > > > > but I still think it is one of the most remarkably > > > > > > > > > > > structured > > > > > > > books. > > > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > > been teaching "close reading" for over 10 years now, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > its > > > > > > > > > > responsiveness > > > > > > > > > > > is a sign of its enduring quality of thought and > feeling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But that's just, maybe, the required nostalgic > overture. > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > > nostalgia > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to toss into this still pool was a Hello to > > > > > > > > > > > any of my > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > friends > > > > > > > > > > > and interlocutors who still receive these emails. 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