Wow, Doug! That’s really cool. I’d love to read your book. & yeah, I also work on end of life services as activity director and music therapist in nursing homes. I’m also training as a death doula. I’m sure your wife has some Quality ideas I could benefit from. Feel free to msg me on FB I’d love to learn more!
> On May 23, 2020, at 1:55 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Send Moq_Discuss mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Moq_Discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: The future of MOQ? (Ant McWatt) > 2. Re: The future of MOQ? (Jan Andersson) > 3. Zen and The Art of Dying ([email protected]) > 4. Re: Moq_Discuss Digest, Vol 148, Issue 21 (Joshua Lesser) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 21:54:16 +0000 > From: Ant McWatt <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] The future of MOQ? > Message-ID: > > <am0pr09mb251397b2515e71f9e88ecaf3f1...@am0pr09mb2513.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > And thinking of comedy... I've been catching-up with this guy recently. On > the whole, very high quality material IMHO. This relatively short clip > concerns the concept of TIME: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI > [https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.Z5LIJPdO_ccaDSNTtTMBSQEsDh&pid=Api]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI> > Dave Allen - "Teaching Your Kid Time" - '93 - stereo > HQ<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI> > A classic standup bit from the veteran comic. After 35 years, his timing and > delivery were perfect. Watch a master at work... > www.youtube.com > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ant McWatt <[email protected]> > Sent: 22 May 2020 21:13 > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] The future of MOQ? > > LOL! > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hello dear qualified friends, > > Question. What is the future of Quality. Is this the end? Where do we go from > here? > > As for me, after 25 years of fear and trembling, I am hoping to publish ?Zen > and the Art of Dying? (an inquiry into Faith) this year. The book is a > vehicle for many ideas, mostly why I believe the Integral model (Ken Wilber) > and MOQ are pointing to the same truth. An ?integrated? MOQ completes the > framework Pirsig presented; keeping Quality at the center. I refer to it as > iMOQ. And I?d love to present the ideas here for criticism before publication. > > Hoping you are up for the discussion; that is if you?re down for helping me > maintain my goodness. > > Regards, > > Josh > > [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png]<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > Virus-free. > www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 00:29:34 +0200 > From: Jan Andersson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] The future of MOQ? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Ha ha, gave me a good laugh. Thanks a lot! It seems like the english language > still lack some understandable words with no cross-purposes, suitable for new > persons. > > But if we are going to discuss time and the future, MOQ related, I think we > could all start at reading an essay called ?The MOQ and Time? written by Dr > Anthony McWatt. Is there any link to this Ant? > > I myself are just fascinated by looking at water: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JutML8qjPps > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JutML8qjPps> > It is quite inspiring to watch the movement of water. > > Time is real. It?s not only defined by Thermodynamics or MOQ. > > Best wishes to you all. > > Jan-Anders > > > >> 22 maj 2020 x kl. 23:54 skrev Ant McWatt <[email protected]>: >> >> And thinking of comedy... I've been catching-up with this guy recently. On >> the whole, very high quality material IMHO. This relatively short clip >> concerns the concept of TIME: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI >> [https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.Z5LIJPdO_ccaDSNTtTMBSQEsDh&pid=Api]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI> >> Dave Allen - "Teaching Your Kid Time" - '93 - stereo >> HQ<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI> >> A classic standup bit from the veteran comic. After 35 years, his timing and >> delivery were perfect. Watch a master at work... >> www.youtube.com >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Ant McWatt <[email protected]> >> Sent: 22 May 2020 21:13 >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [MD] The future of MOQ? >> >> LOL! >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Hello dear qualified friends, >> >> Question. What is the future of Quality. Is this the end? Where do we go >> from here? >> >> As for me, after 25 years of fear and trembling, I am hoping to publish ?Zen >> and the Art of Dying? (an inquiry into Faith) this year. The book is a >> vehicle for many ideas, mostly why I believe the Integral model (Ken Wilber) >> and MOQ are pointing to the same truth. An ?integrated? MOQ completes the >> framework Pirsig presented; keeping Quality at the center. I refer to it as >> iMOQ. And I?d love to present the ideas here for criticism before >> publication. >> >> Hoping you are up for the discussion; that is if you?re down for helping me >> maintain my goodness. >> >> Regards, >> >> Josh >> >> [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png]<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >> Virus-free. >> www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 19:44:27 -0400 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MD] Zen and The Art of Dying > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > When I was trying to get my book published the fact that it had a > chapter devoted to philosophical issues raised in ZAMM did not seem to > interest any agents or publishers. I finally got it published with a > small publisher of Buddhist books, because of the large Buddhist angle. > My book is "Pyrrho's Way: The Ancient Greek Version of Buddhism." It's > about the Hellenistic philosophy of Pyrrhonism as a self-help approach, > much like similar titles "How to Be a Stoic", "Aristotle's Way", "How to > Be an Epicurean." > > My wife, who is a physician who has worked in palliative care, has been > off-and-on working on a book about dying. There appears to be strong > interest in the subject, at least as a practical matter. As a > philosophical matter, I think it would be tough sledding to get > published. > > Doug Bates > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hello dear qualified friends, > > Question. What is the future of Quality. Is this the end? Where do we go > from here? > > As for me, after 25 years of fear and trembling, I am hoping to publish > ?Zen and the Art of Dying? (an inquiry into Faith) this year. The book > is a vehicle for many ideas, mostly why I believe the Integral model > (Ken Wilber) and MOQ are pointing to the same truth. An ?integrated? MOQ > completes the framework Pirsig presented; keeping Quality at the center. > I refer to it as iMOQ. And I?d love to present the ideas here for > criticism before publication. > > Hoping you are up for the discussion; that is if you?re down for helping > me maintain my goodness. > > Regards, > > Josh > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 01:55:25 -0400 > From: Joshua Lesser <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Moq_Discuss Digest, Vol 148, Issue 21 > Message-ID: > <cahqs9c73fhu7w-oe4oapmmoxy4clx9mzritrs+-51xvumce...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Dear Dr. Mcwatt and friends, > > Thank you for taking the time to respond, Dr. Mcwatt! I confess to being a > little star struck!! I still remember buying your MOQ textbook and > downloading it like a kid on Christmas; printing it off, and putting it > under my pillow. As you are, to my knowledge, the only person on earth to > hold a terminal degree in the field to which i aspire to be a member, I'm > humbled and aghast to think I may have offended you. Please accept my > sincere apology if I said something improper. I wonder if my sloppily > worded "Is this the end" question, which was in reference to the lack of > activity of our discussion group, may have done it. Hey, my bad. That > comment was motivated by nothing more than a love of MOQ and discussing > life, the universe, and everything through it's framework. It > certainly wasn't intended as a claim that MOQ is dead and only my book can > save it, as Im afraid it may have come off.. idk. Quality/MOQ was around > long before me, and will go on long after I'm dead whether i publish or > not. Duh. > > Regardless, if the above mentioned is the cause of your laughter or > something else, I remind you the purpose of my message was simply a request > to submit my ideas and life's work for your criticism. *Note - it was not a > request for mockery* But, hey, as the good Socrates said, "whether rich or > poor, when sick, to a Dr. you must go!". In other words, I'll take what i > can get from the only Dr. of Quality in town! > > The reason i write, dear friends of Quality, is bc when Quality/MOQ impacts > your life the way it has mine, you want to share it. It's possible that the > only purpose of my life story is to serve as a bad example. But i can > promise the story won't bore you. Hell, Ill even give you a money back > guarantee! > > & Dr. Mcwatt, I stopped caring whether people are laughing at me or with me > long ago, just so long as I can make them smile. One Love, Brother. Shalom > to your face. > > I will note, however, that Ive wanted to contribute to this forum for, > basically, decades, except there always seemed to be some fight going on I > didn't want to get in the middle of keeping me from participation. . For > me, success is defined not by defeating an enemy, but by turning an enemy > into a friend. & i wasnt capable of engaging like that until very recently. > So ive kept my peace. Frankly, if i wasn't at peace, i wouldnt allow myself > to respond at this time. Bc i think people react to your fundamental > Quality (or energy) not what you do or say. If i can't say something from a > perspective of edification, i try not to say it. I hope my words here will > be received in the spirit in which they are given. Nothing but Love. (Is > Quality what you like or is it better to say its really what you LOVE) Let > it be known i formerly had a philosophy of Quality but now i have a > Philosophy of Love. That's a hill ill die on, proudly. > > It is my hope and only motive for writing that MOQ increases in popularity, > influence, and most especially debate. If i had 3 wishes, one of them damn > for sure would be for a vibrant community that debates the fine points of > Quality into infinity and beyond! Ive savored the discussions on this forum > and mourn each day my inbox is empty. Has the forum moved somewhere to > which im ignorant? Or has the dialogue ceased? > > I started a business in Fort Wayne, Indiana called IQ (Integrated Quality) > Services LLC in 2009 which i closed in 2015 to move to Boulder, CO to work > and study (Integral Psychology) at Naropa University. The purpose of the > business was to test postulates of MOQ in the real world. The good news is > we were wildly successful. & one thing I learned about Quality leadership > is that sometimes the only way to unite labor is to motivate them against > management. So if the only way to re-ignite debate on this forum is to get > everyone criticizing iMOQ im happy to play the fool. So listen up chumps > (jk jk, my tongue is firmly in my cheeck lol) im taking all comers. & Dr. > Mcwatt, youre the biggest guy in the room.. soo come at me bro. (in the > most apatheia sense possible) > > Let's start with something we have in common. The belief that MOQ is better > at explaining reality than any other framework known to humanity is > something on which i hope we can agree. As such, I propose that the > Integral Model, as presented by Ken Wilber, can be re-interpreted through > the MOQ in a way that clarifies and enhances both theories. Quality is > fundamental. I take MOQ as the starting point as a tool for understanding > Integral Theory. So it's misleading to say MOQ has been integrated when the > proper order is more like the Integral Model has been Qualified. Um. I > guess. Anyway. Here's my point and opening ante: if such is true, iMOQ has > a higher Quality than MOQ alone in explanatory power. Yikes! What a bold > statement bordering on megalomaniacal delusions of grandeur! Who can help > me see the light? I'm warning you tho.. im extremely dense and possibly not > worth your time. Probably. > > LOL, indeed! > > Love, > Josh > > MOQ is DEAD - LONG LIVE MOQ! > > > >> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 5:13 PM <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Send Moq_Discuss mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Moq_Discuss digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: The future of MOQ? (Ant McWatt) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 21:13:21 +0000 >> From: Ant McWatt <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [MD] The future of MOQ? >> Message-ID: >> < >> am0pr09mb25139e741926ebb6739c4973f1...@am0pr09mb2513.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com >>> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> LOL! >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Hello dear qualified friends, >> >> Question. What is the future of Quality. Is this the end? Where do we go >> from here? >> >> As for me, after 25 years of fear and trembling, I am hoping to publish >> ?Zen and the Art of Dying? (an inquiry into Faith) this year. The book is a >> vehicle for many ideas, mostly why I believe the Integral model (Ken >> Wilber) and MOQ are pointing to the same truth. An ?integrated? MOQ >> completes the framework Pirsig presented; keeping Quality at the center. I >> refer to it as iMOQ. And I?d love to present the ideas here for criticism >> before publication. >> >> Hoping you are up for the discussion; that is if you?re down for helping >> me maintain my goodness. >> >> Regards, >> >> Josh >> ________________________________ >> From: Moq_Discuss <[email protected]> on behalf of >> Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]> >> Sent: 19 May 2020 20:09 >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >> >> Yes , indeed , my brother owns the place, and all the machines in it,we can >> weld,grind, turn, saw , whatever-, we even have an >> electrical oven to bake some parts, and a sandblaster. I'm still on the >> scouting for a nice CB 77 or a Yamaha rd 350 lc blue/white,only a matter of >> time >> that i will have one,and restore it to a showroomcondition. >> As an Englishman, i think you have a slight idea about the prices eh?,to >> give you an idea. A new electronic ignition and condensers,along with the >> infrared pick-up elements for the TX 500 Yam,=200 euro, >> a simple camchain joint link, 1 (one)= 70 euro,..a camchain without the >> joint, 184 euro, a gasket set covering all carters/cranck/cases, the heads >> and the oilchannels =210 euro; a kit to get a refit for the oilfilter to >> make it adapt to modern ones >> =75 euro,(the old oilfilters are absent, the new have another threading) , >> anyway these are the cheap parts. A crankshaft = 2000 euro, a camshaft 800 >> but you need two. We payed 500 euro for the valves and seats only. >> >> And we have others issue's as well. >> Modern fuel contains alcohol and lacks lead. The old bikes need lead and >> pure fuel.Almost impossible to get. >> It is also very difficult to import a motor and have it approved >> legally,and it is expensive. >> If a bike has been in a shed for say 40 years,all document for it become >> valueless. >> But we like to get our nose in a jerrycan. >> >> Adrie >> >> >> Op di 19 mei 2020 om 12:47 schreef Ant McWatt <[email protected]>: >> >>> Sounds a very good way to go, Adrie, in these 'times of trouble' with the >>> motorcycles/bikes and outboard boat engines. Bet your brother and your >>> good self are glad that you have that man-cave to work in! It's also >> nice >>> to hear in this 'age of consumerism' that you are both doing good deals >> on >>> these (sensibly engine-sized) motorbikes/cycles. I know where I'm going >> to >>> order my next 'bike' from!!! >>> >>> Yours, thinking ahead (slightly Dynamically), >>> >>> Ant >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Moq_Discuss <[email protected]> on behalf of >>> Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]> >>> Sent: 17 May 2020 19:17 >>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >>> >>> The country is Belgium , but my mother was Dutch, and i live on 1 mile of >>> the Dutch border. >>> I'm currently working on a TX 500 Yamaha , Ant,i have a little >>> mancave -garage with my brother and we have 3 >>> bikes on the table right now,i bought a lot of nos parts for the >>> Yamaha,still in the box tough,..he's not in a hurry ,as he is from 76. >>> The other is a gsx 55O Suzi, and one Kawa 498 ltd.I do the engines and >> the >>> elektricity, my brother paint frame and chrome. >>> If we sell a bike , mostly it is break even,or we make some bucks not >> worth >>> the effort,but we have some Belgian beer to comfort us. >>> We also restore old outboard engines, Ducati, Evinrude, Honda, two-stroke >>> and 4 stroke , longtail/shorttail name it , its there, and the surprise- >>> they sell like candy,and they make very good money. >>> >>> >>> Op zo 17 mei 2020 om 20:44 schreef Ant McWatt <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> I completely understand Adrie. The shortage of fresh, clean water for >>> ALL >>>> of this world's population is almost certainly more critical than >> dealing >>>> with this Corona virus which, of course, could have been handled a lot >>>> better and more quickly in so many countries. So, as such, I'm so glad >>> to >>>> see the speed camera money in your country (the Netherlands?) going to >>>> politicians and tax breaks rather than protective clothing for >>> 'front-line' >>>> workers... BTW, anyone around here got any money to pay for my new >>>> Ferrari's petrol bill? Running five classic cars & two motorcycles in >>> this >>>> day & age is getting a little difficult (though it was a big, big >> relief >>> to >>>> see the oil prices drop like a stone recently)! >>>> >>>> Well, I suppose the world's human population has realised some >>> fundamental >>>> East Asian philosophy truths with this virus - the penny's finally >>> dropping >>>> that we're all connected in more ways than one. You could also add the >>>> issue of climate change; for example, every piece of litter you leave >> on >>>> the street, any water or food you waste, any trip you take in your >>> Ferrari >>>> (or whatever vehicle 'turns you on') affects EVERYONE and all >> biological >>>> patterns on this planet, sooner or later. It's a hard lesson, a very >>> hard >>>> lesson for some, but better to happen now while human beings still >> have a >>>> chance to protect the intellectual & social patterns on this planet. >> The >>>> MOQ is great in it's own way but how many people understand it and >> apply >>>> it? I can preach all I like but the preaching is, at best, only going >> to >>>> 'reach' a few thousand people. My 'guitar' still gently weeps... >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrTMc2i6Lzc >>>> >>>> >>>> Finally, loved that last sentence of yours: >>>> >>>> 'It's a burlesque theatre; with drunken clowns on stage.' >>>> >>>> Could have been written by Oscar Wilde IMHO... >>>> >>>> Take care, >>>> >>>> Ant >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Moq_Discuss <[email protected]> on behalf of >>>> Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: 17 May 2020 16:34 >>>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >>>> >>>> People do not like critical issues i suppose.Although i'm not a >> doomsday >>>> prepper or a stand up Nostradamus >>>> that is handing out predictions or possible disasters i am convinced >> that >>>> the climate is changing very rapidly,the water is >>>> not in the possibility to replenish itself anymore and there is no >> food >>> on >>>> the planet for all of us. >>>> Some countries are gearing up for war,and some economy's are so debt >>>> infested that in fact, a war would be the only way out,... >>>> How far are we away from patterns like say the Weimar republique? >>>> Printing money all the time bled out Europe, America,Russia,and only >>> China >>>> seems to have some cash left,to invest in Africa... >>>> thoughts?.... roll out-- >>>> >>>> I was thinking about the idiots you mentioned , Anthony, as we also >> have >>> a >>>> bunch of them,the only thing they succeeded to arrange >>>> are speed controls,traject controls,parking fines, you name it , some >>>> cameras here rake in 300 000 Euro a month , one of them >>>> takes it a week.....but all that money was not enough to buy some >>>> protective material for the population. >>>> Still , they like to take the stand,and lecture others,preferably on an >>>> international platform like the European parliament, to inform them how >>>> wrong they are. >>>> Its a burlesque theather; with drunken clowns on stage. >>>> >>>> Adrie >>>> >>>> >>>> Op zo 17 mei 2020 om 05:42 schreef Ant McWatt <[email protected] >>> : >>>> >>>>> Interesting times, hey? >>>>> >>>>> As Bill Hicks would say 'It times like this, you see people's (and >>>>> co(u)ntries) genuine colo(u)rs!' Heh, heh, heh... >>>>> >>>>> Fortunately, where I live there's no known Corona Virus infections >> but >>> I >>>>> look around the world and can see quite a difference of Quality in >> how >>>> this >>>>> relatively minor infection (if it had seen off a billion people by >> this >>>>> stage - I'd be concerned - it's no where near that...) has been >>> regarded >>>> & >>>>> treated. >>>>> >>>>> I wonder which co(u)ntries have had the best policies to deal wirh >> it? >>>>> South Korea? New Zealand? Sweden? What's YOUR opinon in this >>> regard? >>>>> I know it isn't the US let alone the UK. In fact it's laughable >> here >>> - >>>> we >>>>> have some clown in southern England called 'Mr Johnson' thinking >> he's a >>>>> prime minister and who got the virus! LOL! That made my year (or at >>>> least >>>>> a month) comedy-wise. I love looking at his latest videos now - witb >>> the >>>>> sound off and listening to a certain song by RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE >>>> (I'll >>>>> give you a hint it begins with FU). More seriously, I wish people >>> like >>>>> him & Trump would just go away and retire on Richard Branson's >>> island... >>>>> think what Mark Twain said about people wanting to become leaders?!! >>>>> (Never mind, I had to deal with Punk in the 1970s and the new >>> Romantics >>>>> plus the SMITHS & Thatcher in the 1980s so it has been worse). >>>>> >>>>> I leave a final thought for you to ponder... is all this Corona-19 >>>>> infection media blitz simply deflecting the (so-called) general >> public >>>> from >>>>> more critical issues? >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards to all; sleep tight, >>>>> >>>>> Ant >>>>> >>>>> P.S. Hope you enjoyed your European travels Krimel. Sorry you felt >>> Horse >>>>> & me had betrayed you by revealing your 'real' name. But 'get real', >>> do >>>>> you think anyone is THAT interested? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: Moq_Discuss <[email protected]> on behalf >> of >>>>> Jan-Anders Andersson <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: 25 April 2020 20:35 >>>>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >>>>> >>>>> Hello everyone of you MOQers >>>>> >>>>> Great that this line is still open! >>>>> >>>>> I am well, playing my accordion and working on the sequel of Money >> and >>>> the >>>>> Art... >>>>> >>>>> best wishes to >>>>> you all >>>>> >>>>>> 25 apr. 2020 kl. 21:42 skrev Dan Glover <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Hello old friends, >>>>>> >>>>>> A couple years ago I sold everything, gave away what I couldn't >> sell, >>>> and >>>>>> moved from Chicago to Florida. I bought a shack perched >> precariously >>>>> close >>>>>> to a canal in the swamps just outside Satsuma where I spend my days >>>>> sitting >>>>>> in the sunshine reading and taking photos of gators, otters, and >> blue >>>>>> herons. I was delighted the other day to see a reference to Zen and >>> the >>>>> Art >>>>>> of Motorcycle Maintenance in Quichotte (pronounced Key-Shot) by >>> Salman >>>>>> Rushdie but then again Rushdie seems to read everything. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am no longer writing as much as I did up north. I think part of >>> that >>>>> has >>>>>> to do with how it is sunny and warm and pleasant here even in >>> December >>>>> and >>>>>> January and February whereas in Chicago the weather was intent on >>>> killing >>>>>> me six months out of the year. I also like to think what I do write >>> now >>>>> has >>>>>> more quality than the torrent of words I once produced though in >>> that I >>>>> am >>>>>> most likely fooling myself. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am also exercising quite a lot these days: walking, biking, >>> running, >>>>>> swimming. I daily take a chug from the fountain of youth and dammit >>> if >>>> it >>>>>> doesn't seem to be working. Listening to lots of music both new and >>>> old, >>>>>> catch myself cranking up the volume. Miles Davis seems particularly >>>>> apropos >>>>>> to these long and sunny Florida afternoons. >>>>>> >>>>>> Life is good. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dan >>>>>> >>>>>> A rip tide is raging >>>>>> And the life guard is away >>>>>> But the ocean doesn't want me today >>>>>> The ocean doesn't want me today >>>>>> (Tom Waits) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:11 PM Adrie Kintziger < >>> [email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Matt , and Krimel,and probably more of the usual suspects.. ,in >>> the >>>>>>> run-up to my retirement and my daughter buying a house that i had >> to >>>> do >>>>> up >>>>>>> myself (3 yrs work), >>>>>>> i halted my postings to the list.After some time it went >>>>> silent.Probably i >>>>>>> was peeled out of the onion. Since then, i never checked anymore, >>> nor >>>>> did i >>>>>>> hear anything. >>>>>>> So you are the first ,Matt. >>>>>>> I still read many books.I fish extensively.Still riding my bicycle >>>>> daily, >>>>>>> do about 12000 miles a year.I have the bulk of time now. >>>>>>> But its difficult to ride my normal tracks under lockdown and with >>> the >>>>>>> Dutch borders closed up-normally i always ride in the Netherlands, >>> but >>>>> have >>>>>>> to stay in Belgium nowadays. >>>>>>> We cannot fish in the canal under the lockdown,and they are >>> patrolling >>>>> the >>>>>>> little forest we have there , so the only thing we can do for now >> is >>>>>>> cleaning , pruning the trees and >>>>>>> just sit over there , on some distance from each other. Its our >>>> personal >>>>>>> tranquility base , so we have to guard it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do not know where you live Matt, and Krimel,i hope its a >> location >>>> that >>>>>>> allows you to weather this viral storms ... >>>>>>> Missed you all, Krimel included. >>>>>>> Adrie >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 19:36 schreef Scribe <[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Matt, >>>>>>>> Good to hear from you. I too have reflected on the old day on the >>>> MoQ. >>>>> In >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> memory they take shape as Good old days in a way few reflection >> on >>>> the >>>>>>> past >>>>>>>> do these days. >>>>>>>> I left the MoQ after Horse and Ant threaten to reveal my true >> name, >>>>>>> which I >>>>>>>> thought was a betrayal of trust. I went to graduate school in >>>>>>> communication >>>>>>>> but dropped out after a six years as an ABD with a master's, >> mostly >>>>>>> because >>>>>>>> I got a full time teaching gig. I mostly taught Psychology but >> also >>>>>>> classes >>>>>>>> in Communication and Philosophy. I retired last year and spent >>> couple >>>>> of >>>>>>>> months in Europe riding trains with my wife. We had similar plans >>>> this >>>>>>> year >>>>>>>> but they have been delayed... >>>>>>>> There is a serious irony for me with respect to the MoQ. When I >>>> entered >>>>>>>> graduate school, I was averaging four or five page of writing a >> day >>>> for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> community. Graduate school gave me writer's block. It was too >>>> focused, >>>>>>> too >>>>>>>> controlled, it had to be done. Don't get me wrong I wrote a lot >> for >>>>>>>> graduate >>>>>>>> school but it was not for fun and other than being an asshole on >>>>>>> Facebook I >>>>>>>> don't do it much these days. >>>>>>>> Anyway, love me or hate me I miss all of you, well most of you, >>>>> fiercely. >>>>>>>> Krimel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Moq_Discuss <[email protected]> On >>> Behalf >>>> Of >>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>> Kundert >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:41 AM >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's been three years since I've checked this email and five >> since >>> I >>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>>> to the listserve. I was just talking to a friend, outside, 8 >> feet >>>>> away, >>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> a fold-out chair I brought with me, and she brought up ZMM. We >>>>> chatted a >>>>>>>> little while about it, and am going to give her one of the many >>>> copies >>>>> I >>>>>>>> still have squirreled away. I haven't read it since I taught it >> in >>>>> 2014, >>>>>>>> but I still think it is one of the most remarkably structured >>> books. >>>>>>> I've >>>>>>>> been teaching "close reading" for over 10 years now, and its >>>>>>> responsiveness >>>>>>>> is a sign of its enduring quality of thought and feeling. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But that's just, maybe, the required nostalgic overture. The >> real >>>>>>>> nostalgia >>>>>>>> I wanted to toss into this still pool was a Hello to any of my >> old >>>>>>> friends >>>>>>>> and interlocutors who still receive these emails. I still feel >>> that >>>> my >>>>>>>> participation many years ago was integral to my intellectual and >>>>>>> stylistic >>>>>>>> growth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope everyone is well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>> Former Apostate >>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> parser >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> http://www.danglover.com >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> parser >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> parser >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >> >> >> -- >> parser >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Moq_Discuss Digest, Vol 148, Issue 21 >> ******************************************** >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Moq_Discuss Digest, Vol 148, Issue 22 > ******************************************** Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
