ROGER CHATS WITH PLATT ABOUT WHAT A BEAR DOES IN THE
WOODS......er......I MEAN WHAT A TREE DOES IN THE WOODS.
IT PLAYS STRAVINSKY!!!!!!
Thanks for the discussion my friend. I really was kinda fuzzy headed last
night. Allow me the liberty to do a point by point....I think we are really
close on this one. I have the "Plattmaestro" signified with a "P" and me (the
Rogermaestro?)with an "R." Oh, it may be REAL helpful to read my sister post
to the Glovemaestro.
(P)< "Experience" is not solely the province of human beings.<
(R) I agree
(P) <Any and all static patterns of value experience Quality Events.<
(R) They are formed or derived from experience via quality events
(P)<Cells of the falling tree "hear� the change in their environment and
"suffer" the destruction of
their world.<
(R) As long as you use the quotes I will reluctantly agree, but I sense you
are obscuring the issue an itty bitty bit. The experience of sound defines
hearing and "crashing." Unheard trees are not experienced as sound.
Inorganic unity is analogous to but slightly different in the quality of
experience.
(P) >Recall the cells in Lila who "have a mind of their own.">
(R) No, inorganic particles are contained in mental patterns and mental
patterns are contained in particles. But this doesn't imply the little
buggers are sentient. It refers to particles as mental concepts and mental
concepts as emergent from cellular activity. Each contains the other and is
cross-referential. Unity and division, yin and yang. But my guess is I am
just being anal here....
(P)<If it's a dead tree that falls, inorganic patterns of value are
affected. For
example, shifts in the arrangements of our old friend the carbon atom
occur as well as disturbances of air molecules. These patterns of value
"experience" or "hear" the event in their own inscrutable way. For all we
know, atoms make crackling sounds as they get jostled about, or maybe,
if the patterns fall into a heavenly alignment, breathtaking symphonies
occur.>
(R) I have been playing some beautiful works by Stravinsky all week, so I
think I agree and can relate.
(P)Now I can't prove this any more than I can prove that I hear what you
hear, or that the world behind me exists when I'm not looking at it. But if
you buy into the MoQ where experience equals Dynamic Quality and
Dynamic Quality creates the world, I don't see how you can avoid
experience occurring at any and all levels.
(R) Agreed....The piece I have listened to is "Movements For Piano and
Orchestra". I also saw it performed as a ballet at Bass Hall in Fort Worth
(you been there yet Mary?)
(P)<Experience, consciousness, observation, awareness, Quality�-whatever
you want to call it-�is like space, encompassing, permeating, shaping all
things. ...... David Buchanan's wonderful leaf analogy summed it up
beautifully:
"The structure of all patterns of value is somehow the shape of awareness
itself.">
(R) Beautiful!!!!Bravo!!! Bravo!!!!
(P)<So IMHO it's an experiential universe where there are plenty of
distinctions (including you and me and the tree in the forest) but no
separations.>
(R) There are actually five separations in the Stravinsky piece, but other
than that I would agree ALL IS ONE.
Thanks again as always!!!!!!!
Roger
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