In a message dated 5/20/99 8:34:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
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<< as for the hippies... they talked a good game, but ultimately they were
 mostly just hedonists.  No matter what they like tell you about themselves.
 
 >>
     I disagree with this statement. If not for the hippie movement, The 
Vietnam war would have lasted many more years and thousands of more lives 
would have been lost to this futile and corrupt war. Yes, many of the hippies 
turned to hedonism as an escape from the stifling social and intellectual 
values of the time, but many turned toward the spiritual and mystical; many 
of these, more opened minded people, were the ones who originally bought Zen 
and the Art of Motorcycle maintenance when it first came out making it such 
an unexpected best seller at the time. Pirsig even states that the hippie 
movement was the higher moral road, but that it's leaders confused biological 
values with dynamic spiritual values insofar as they both were anti social 
and anti intellectual. But not all hippies made this mistake, and it's wrong 
to demean the contributions many hippies made, such as promoting racial and 
sexual equal rights, pacifism, and political activism, by lumping all hippies 
into a label such as hedonists.
Most of the hippies I knew were more humanists than hedonists. The creative 
and dynamic atmosphere they created  was a great time to be alive, and their 
music and art were outstanding. Freedom of expression and ideas were at a 
zenith. I loved growing up in the 60's. Remember, when the hippie movement 
died out, disco was created! Ouch.

Fred


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