Hello ,

Ah�a dispute arising from the friction between the greatness of the Great Ones and the 
shadow of their failures.  Good subject.

 Horse writes: "� Do we need to bring their character or personality into it to?
show that what they did was wrong? I think you've missed the point
of what I've said. The accomplishments of an individual stand on their
own as good or bad. The character of the person is irrelevant to the
argument."

This is probably pretty true. But in studying them we look at the setting in which the 
gem was laid.
One of the very well known confluence's of individual greatness and failure is told in 
Evans Wentz' classic Tibetan series in the biography of Jetsun Milarepa--the Tibetan 
saint who lived rough a thousand years ago.

Milarepa's life and family were smashed by greedy relatives and he was propelled to 
seek vengeance.
Through extraordinary means he saw his heart's desire fulfilled in the destruction of 
his tormentors.
But feeling a dark cloud of impending karma, he sought penance and was made to suffer 
greatly.
If you hear his story, you're inclined to believe that all this guy ever did was 
suffer.  But in the midst of all of that, the jewel of a saint was brought forth.

Bill
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