Hello , I still now sure if I should post this here but... Horse writes: >>So there is no 'real' self - but a changing set of patterns within a >>greater set of changing patterns, or maybe just one enormous >>changing set of patterns. But changing according to the original law or pattern that spawned all "changing patterns". Our final knowledge about that pattern is limited only in terms of depth. Its basic construct is fairly known. It spirals, sort of goes around in a circle. The clock, the wheel, the sundial--all reflect how it is calibrated in nature. Our lives are set to the days, the days to solar system, etc. The depth of this pattern set by original law is something else. We can move further and further into an understanding of it. Even perhaps, to the inner thresholds of that timeless original law. When the road, the traveler and the road before the traveler was NOT. This character of the Self is referred to in Revelations as, I who was dead but am now alive. >>What we tend to think of as a self is >>defined by the context within which we happen to exist at a particular >>time - nothing more. >>Everything else is an intellectual construction >>which provides for continuity Yes, the calibration. It has among other things, an intellectual construction. Man--a berry on a bush in a forest of that pattern--expresses that calibration in his own terms. >>and helps us cope with the world - in >>other words when we consider the traditional idea of self we create a >>stable set of patterns as a reference. The traditional notion of Self holds that we are of it. Stable sets of patterns are derived by a stable original law that governs the Self and it's origins. When we consider the traditional idea of Self we merely reflect it. The Self inherent on the berry bush and through the forest of similar pattern *continues* to replicate and cause further expressions. >>There is some uncertainty about soul!>> The medium in which Self is displayed is about as mysterious as it gets. Pattern growing fainter and fainter into infinity. The matrix of the Self in totality--what the traveler might realize, what the traveler might have realized to date. Has It returned home already and gone to sleep with it's progeny creation not far behind--like the second half of a Slinky compelled to follow the first? >>I would reject the traditional >>(western) religious idea of something that survives beyond death to >>join with some God or other >>and the (mainly) eastern idea that >>relates to some sort of transmigratory thing which wanders around >>inhabiting various bodies. I think both ideas are comforting non sense >>- when you're dead, you're dead - the end. If anything survives at all it >>is in the static (and possibly dynamic) patterns of others. The berries have seeds even as the Slinky has its tail end. But I do hope to get a good night's sleep when all of this is over. Bill Best regards, elg14 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe - http://www.moq.org/md/index.html MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
