ROGER REPLIES TO RICH AND WELCOMES MARCO BACK
<< "Is there a way to decide the morality of a decision if we
don't know all the factors (and can never really know since some of
them are "potential" factors)?"
ROGER:
I think this relates to why the most direct and unfiltered experience is the
most moral. Our static patterns, our perceptual models of reality never come
close to the full reality, and with even with our closest ascent the edge of
reality pulls away with each passing second. I think Rich points us to the
post-intellectual answer. The answer of Pure Experience. Down from the
mountain tops and back to the valley of Zen.
I agree with Rich that the MOQ points beyond the rational and toward the
romantic answers. I also agree that the self is just another static pattern
that needs to be released.
RICH:
Rog, you (and others) are clearly well aware of the prominence and important
centrality in the MOQ of fully immersing one's "self" in this immediate
apprehension of the everfluxing current of 'direct dynamic experience'.
ROGER:
I think we forget it and drift back to static intellectual patterns.
RICH:
I wonder, however, if
Pirsig wouldn't support unbiased awareness of current reality as the BEST
method (or preliminary motions) for getting to the deepest possible
understanding of how it is best for a human being (culture of one) to act in
ACTUAL, rather than potential situations.
ROGER:
I agree.
RICH:
If so, how does this romantic understanding of the working out of moral
dilemmas by keeping them within the flowing currents of NOW(actual and
present) relate to the formation of classical understanding of developing
'set' intellectual answers (i.e.doctor/germ) about the past or future or
even temporary pragmatic ones?
ROGER:
I think the key is to continuously test the water. "Put your big toe in the
milk of human kindness." (an Elvis Costello lyric that jumped into my
brain. As I typed it I finally get the double-play on words on a static song
that I have known for 5 years.....wierd. Rich, with your love of word-play I
was wondering if you have ever listened to Elvis C.?)
Anyway,I think permanent answers are the antithesis of the MOQ.
RICH:
If so, how does this dhyanic importance relate to the Quality underlying the
answers that you have so far received? How does romantic understanding
springing from zazen apply to a hierarchical organization of the values of
different personal opinions? If there are no selves, can there be more or
less valid 'person'al opinions?
ROGER:
There are selves, but clinging to one is the problem. We are our patterns,
and a dynamic self is a changing and flowing self. But one with a
purpose...the pursuit of higher quality. Thanks for joining in, Rich.
Rog
PS -- Thx for the card Marco!
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