greetings.  i'm rather new to this list, and i can't respond to everything you're discussing since i feel like i arrived in medias res, but i had one thought in response to Horse's post.

Horse, i suspect you are making sense.  i wholly concur that the Good is not indentical with what is moral, i.e. reality.  all that is, right now, has value (you folks are using the word 'moral', but i prefer 'value', because anytime i think of the word 'moral' i think of SOM-type morality - my own personal prejudice).  one might say that the world right now has a certain level of value, though i'm opposed to trying to quantify it.  through our actions, we alter the structure of reality in some small way.  'creating' a building, for example, is really not creation but rather a process of changing reality such that it now has a different level of value.  if the new reality is an improvement, then the action was Good.  if now, the opposite.  hence there is in fact a direction we're striving, as Pirsig claims; we're struggling to reach something higher - higher levels of value.  the process of doing that is the Good.

i have to think more about this, but that's all for now.  btw, i noticed there's another Jon(athan) on this list, so you can call me Laux if you want.  peace.


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"when the tao is present in the universe, the horses haul manure." -lao tsu

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