To: Jonathan
From: Roger

Re: Random Patterns

Jonathan wrote:
"The difference between the random and non-random viewpoint is one of 
perception, and has no basis in the property of the gas. Thus, randomness 
cannot be considered an objective property of the whole system."

Jonathan, allow me to explore this statement further and see where it 
leads....... 

There are a lot of issues and even metaphysical assumptions involved in your 
two sentences. Including what is the nature of pattern? What is the nature of 
random? What is the relationship of reality to models of reality? Is 
objectivity a measure of reality or of our models? And, can a quality 
viewpoint have 'no basis in the property' of that which it seeks to model?

I don't intend this to agree or disagree with your web page, which was 
probably intended for a broader (non-MOQ) audience, as much as I want to 
explore these intriguing concepts and continue a dialogue.

WHAT ARE PATTERNS?
They are simplifications of experience based on large scale general features 
of reality.  We have evolved over billions of years to be experts at quick 
and dirty pattern detection.  Patterns are in essence simplified, generalized 
models of reality.  They are not the reality they describe, but they can 
correlate with it. 

As an example, a squirrel is a great pattern recognition device for 
experiences that we know of as hawks and nuts, but not for the experience of 
reading.  Humans are great at 'patterning' experience into all four levels. 

ARE PATTERNS 'OBJECTIVE'?
This is a tough topic in the MOQ because it involves the terminology and 
baggage of the metaphysics it seeks to replace.  'Empirical' is a better term 
in our philosophy.  However, we should be able to clarify and decode the "o" 
word by restating it in MOQese.  

I would offer that we can still use the term 'objectivity' as the measure of 
a model's correlation with experience.  Some patterns can therefore be 
considered very objective.  Reality, or experience, certainly has general 
features that we form models or patterns of.  And these patterns should of 
course not be dismissed as imaginary.  Philosophers could argue forever over 
whether or not reality is a figment of imagination, but surely we will all 
agree that imagination definitely is a figment of reality. On the other hand, 
man is the measure of pattern, as we choose which features of reality to 
attend to, to emphasize,  to ignore, and to model. A man's patterns can 
differ from a squirrel's, just as their experiences can differ.

In your above quote, I would suggest a pattern could be considered objective 
if it correlates with the properties of the gas.

WHAT IS RANDOM?
Random is the pattern we assign to experience that we find unpatterned.  It 
is the pattern where features are considered irrelevant, or in your 
statistical terms, where there is a maximal degree of freedom.  The reason I 
suggest we do pattern 'randomness' is that we simplify it, categorize it and 
specifically do not attend to its features.  For example, in a random 
distribution of gas, we are saying that there is no information to be gained 
in studying individual moleculular relationships within the gas (though there 
are emergent patterned statistical properties nonetheless -- but this is 
another issue).  Any given molecule could just as well be elsewhere.  
Contrast this with patterned, non-equilibrium gas where hot (more active) 
molecules rise.  There is knowledge within the pattern.

IS RANDOMNESS OBJECTIVE?
Again, randomness can be considered a low quality pattern, and to the extent 
that this model of reality corresponds to reality, it is empirical and 
objective.  If pattern is later found where none was seen before, obviously 
we have progressed to a higher quality intellectual interpretation of 
reality.  The gas obviously did not change, but our knowledge of the gas did.

Randomness is a low-information pattern that can be considered objective or 
empirical.

SUMMARY
A pattern is a model of reality that allows us to turn experience into a 
tool.  It is essentially a data compression technique. The quality of a 
pattern is in its consistency, simplicity, informational content and 
agreement with experience. Randomness is a particular pattern with extremely 
limited informational quality.

Considering the intended audience, I basically agree with your quote, but in 
in MOQese we could rephrase it as follows:

"The difference between the random and non-random viewpoint is one of the 
quality.  Intellectually, it is of higher quality to identify patterns and to 
simplify our model of reality than it is to leave it random and unpatterned, 
but only if this corresponds 'objectively' to the features being modeled. 
Hence, randomness and pattern can each be considered objective properties of 
a model of reality."

Jonathan, let me know if you agree with my new definitions and with the way I 
have rephrased (re-patterned) the issue.  I have floated a few new memetic 
trial balloons that are in need of intellectual feedback. I am not really 
even sure I agree completely with what I have written.  Your thoughts are 
very much appreciated in helping me to grow in my understanding of the issues.

Roger

PS -- Richard and Matthew and others, feel fee to jump in too!





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