Glenn wrote:
That wrench is a special gift from science, and when someone
mistreats 
it, you go and blame science. 

DL writes:  A gift from science?  I may be wrong, but I thought 
science was (as defined by Webster) "A branch of study concerned with

observation and classification of facts and esp. withobservation and 
classification of facts and esp. with the establishment of verifiable

general laws" - science (it seems to me) doesn't create anything - it

is instead ONE way to observe and classify.  Was the wheel a gift of 
science?  Feel free to edify me.

Glenn wrote:
In the course of a scientist's career he might spend years on a
single 
problem or theory and suffer many wrong turns and false starts and 
other auto metaphors (sorry, I'm tired). But when he finally succeeds

and gets famous and is written up in history books these experiences 
are left out or skimmed over because these are boring and we go 
straight to hearing about his "aha" experience. To the uninitiated 
reader it seems as if the scientist was hit by a bolt of inspiration 
at that moment and everything came to him, but he's really been 
thinking about the problem so long and so hard that when the solution

comes he immediately knows it's right. 

DL writes: The "aha phenomenom" (sp?) is an example of what happens 
when one engages in non-linear thinking - sometimes when we take the
a 
leads to be leads to c leads to d (etc) - what we end up with is 
"predictable" - when we are able to take non-linear leaps, we become 
open to ideas/solutions that aren't on the a-b-c-d path.

And in regards to the "beginner's mind" - for me, this has always
been 
more of a state of mind that anyone can adopt (even someone well 
versed in a subject) - it doesn't necessarily mean that because 
someone is knowledgeable in a subject that they cannot adopt this 
approach, but if they are too bound up in the conventional way of 
thinking, answers that lie "outside the box" are likely to be missed.

Be Good.

Shalom

David Lind
Trick


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