As one writer observed I am on the side of the mystics. I also feel that logical positivism completely misses the point and muddies the water regarding empirical content. I guess my main point is that unless we, ourselves, attempt to empirically verify the challenge that Pirsigs metaphysical speculations imply than we are simply wasting our time. Verification would seem to entail a spiritual practice and/or meditation practice whereby the SOM would be simply transcended. For what is the significance of leaving behind SOM and thereby transforming our WorldView(s) if we are not existentially speaking from this "vantage point." I think that Zen's historical antimetaphysical attitude may have some bearing here. Although I also may have much of this wrong. Another point. I don't think Reality (whatever that is) lies on the side of either subject or object. It is a creative reciprocity that is contingent upon our embodiment (our neural physiology) and the physical constraints of a given environment. This seems the most reasonable and modest conclusion to adopt given the evidence. Thanks. John MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at: http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html
