Hi Danila, thanks for the mail, i think you've raised some fascinating points!
Richard wrote:
Question: Many of those on this group seem to think society and intellect are at war,
and intellect is trying to forcefully gain ground on
society. If this is the case, then since there are so many people in society, why
aren't they using their power?
Danila says:
I am surprised that some people who have thought about MOQ believe that "society and
intellect are at war." In the MOQ, the Society and Intellectual levels are not
'things' with stable properties independent of the observer. In practice, they exist
only in the value-relationship of two real entities.
When a politician talks about the social effects of the law and says it should be
changed, but doesn't give arguments why, the law oscillates between being Social and
Intellectual.
Richard comments:
I agree on the politician thing, but in reality it is the judge that decides the
sentence, should a judge view things intellectually or socially? perhaps this depends
on where the court is? maybe a judge in small rural community is more likely to pass
a harsher sentence as he is more open to the effects of a stable society? In your
opinion, should judges act socially or intellectually?
Danila:
Because the levels are properties of relationships, as long as relationships exist
(forever) the Intellectual level cannot 'break free'---nor should it try. It would be
disastrous for the world if the smartest and best-placed people, when operating on the
Intellectual level, thought their responsibility was to destroy Social value
patterns. (Phaedrus rightly criticizes the 60's intellectuals for allying with Biology
against Society.) What would Intellect do all by itself without Society to provide it
with roads and computers?
Richard
Why do you need society to build roads and computers? human can exist freely of
society and still build things. The intellect would pay them to! (i include
government and corporations within the intellect).
Danila
What would Intellect do without Society as a laboratory to try out its schemes?
Aren't many if not most Intellectual schemes ABOUT Society?
Richard
Maybe it is me that is confusing things but maybe not. why do you need society for
laboratories? how is the pursuit of knowledge and wealth and power ABOUT society?
don't those things act freely of society?
My own view of intellect extends beyond existence in the mind. I think the book 1984
is a very good example of a low quality intellectual world, where society is no longer
and the citizens are slaves to the government / corporations. a higher value
intellectual world IMO is one where the citizens remain slaves but are rewarded for
their efforts. Anybody who (like me) has sold his or her soul to the city will see
that this is already starting to happen.
thanks for your comments Danila,
Richard
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