Hi Justin,
Nice meeting you. This question about mathematics also
interests me.

  JUSTIN:
  -As far as mathematics, Conceptualism states that we 
  invent math, not discover it- it is our own modelling 
  of reality in a way that we can intellectually 
  understand. Math seems to fit nature so well (as per a 
  Neo-Platonist claim) because we have designed it to do 
  so.

I've read about a school of thought called Formalism that
sounds similar to Conceptualism. The Formalists believed
that arithmetic could be built up from logic and set
theory into a formal system. Their goal was to prove this
system was consistent and complete. They also believed 
mathematics was a kind of intellectual game, a pure 
invention that didn't exist before humans hit the scene and
doesn't exist without us.

The opposing view was held by the Platonists, who said that 
theorems of mathematics are truths that exist independently
of humans and are being discovered by us.

Now it's clear that mathematics was invented. We have systems
of geometry that start out with fundamental axioms that seem
self-evident to us based on our concepts of space. Axioms of
arithmetic are also self-evident but the concepts here 
concern numbers, counting, and induction. The invention really
stops at this point. What's involved henceforth is deriving 
theorems from the axioms, and new theorems from existing ones,
and while this certainly involves ingenuity of the highest 
calibre, this is in retrospect merely following the rules of 
the game.

Up to this point it doesn't sound like the Platonists have a 
leg to stand on. But the game gets very interesting, in fact so
interesting that it defies all expectations you had at the start.
You could never have guessed, given Peano's 5 rather boring 
axioms, that irrational numbers exist, that pi appears again and 
again in the sum of so many different infinite series, or that 
there's an infinitude of primes. But all of these can be proved 
from this simple starting point.

It would still be considered no more than a fascinating game 
except now we see that nature is following rules, and they are
mathematical. So when you say "Math seems to fit nature so well 
because we have designed it to do so.", the answer is yes, but
no one could have anticipated the spectacular degree to which 
this is so. For example, the ideas that guided the foundations 
of math could never have predicted that gravity behaves according 
to a mathematical law (an inverse square law), and further, no 
mathematical inventions need be conjured up on the spur of the 
moment to explain it. So I partly disagree with your premise. Math 
is indeed an invention, but it is such a superb invention that its 
results seem like, or may very well be, truths that have been 
waiting for an eternity to be discovered.

Your analog to this statement is "Quality seems to fit nature so 
well because Pirsig has designed it to do so." You are suggesting
that quality, like math, may be just an invention that works at 
explaining reality, without being real itself. Well, Pythagoras
was so enchanted by numbers that he thought they were the primal
stuff of the universe. If you feel the same way about quality, 
you could say the same of it. Pirsig himself recently argued that
quality is reality because of the harmony it produces. Presumably
he means by this that it solves or dissolves the SOM platypuses and
provides guidelines for solving practical moral problems. I'm not
convinced, but you have to be the judge of this yourself.

Glenn
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