Hi Elephant:

An amazing explanation of Plato. Having tried to read him in the 
original and being totally befuddled I�m simply overwhelmed by 
your interpretation of his work. I got more out of one reading of 
your posts than a full semester of study. I�m really grateful to you 
for taking the time and the trouble to respond to my questions in 
such a comprehensive and comprehensible way. Would that all 
philosophers could transmit their ideas as well. I bow before your 
knowledge, expertise and authorship, and I feel it�s a privilege to 
have the benefit of your thoughts on this site. 

What struck me most from my first reading of your posts is the 
paradox implicit in Plato�s use of language to deny language�s 
power to reveal truth, the same sort of paradox infecting 
deconstructionism. As Roger Scruton (not one of your favorites I�m 
sure because of his political views) wrote, �The man who tells you 
truth does not exist is asking you not to believe him. So don�t.�

>From what you say, Plato didn�t go quite so far as saying truth 
doesn�t exist. But, he came close if I read you aright. 

And now permit me to offer a brief passage from "Symposium" as 
a meager defense of my belief that at least one of Plato�s 
conceptions of �truth� was �beauty:�

�For he who would proceed aright in this matter should begin in 
youth to visit beautiful forms; and first, if he be guided by his 
instructor aright, to love one such form only-out of that he should 
create fair thoughts; and soon he will of himself perceive that the 
beauty of one form is akin to the beauty of another; and then if 
beauty of form in general is his pursuit, how foolish would he be 
not to recognize that the beauty in every form is and the same! And 
when he perceives this he will abate his violent love of the one, 
which he will despise and deem a small thing, and will become a 
lover of all beautiful forms; in the next stage he will consider that 
the beauty of the mind is more honourable than the beauty of the 
outward form. So that if a virtuous soul have but a little 
comeliness, he will be content to love and tend him, and will 
search out and bring to the birth thoughts which may improve the 
young, until he is compelled to contemplate and see the beauty of 
institutions and laws, and to understand that the beauty of them all 
is of one family, and that personal beauty is a trifle; and after laws 
and institutions he will go on to the sciences, that he may see 
their beauty, being not like a servant in love with the beauty of one 
youth or man or institution, himself a slave mean and narrow-
minded, but drawing towards and contemplating the vast sea of 
beauty, he will create many fair and noble thoughts and notions in 
boundless love of wisdom; until on that shore he grows and 
waxes strong, and at last the vision is revealed.�

Thanks for expanding my vision, Elephant. For all 
misinterpretations of yours and Plato�s thoughts I apologize in 
advance.

Platt




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