>I've put this thread back on the forum as I think I was the one who took it
>off by accident in all my messing round with my e-mail address.

The original message was:

> > Perhaps I'm missing the point here, but if the Christian Church doesn't
> > see death as any obstacle to being with God, then why should we.
> No, not an obstacle, a precondition. The idea is that only Adam and Eve
> could truly be as one with God, but the fall ended that; hence the
elaborate apparatuses deployed by the church for salvation after death. To
be alive
>is to be fallen.

>And being enlightened is a precondition for knowing (sic) zen.

The sense in which in which zen 'is a different kettle of fish; is simply
that the theology of Aquinas and the philosophy of Lao Tsu are not the same.
I'm sure being enlightened is a precondition for knowing zen. It's just that
that has nothing whatsoever to do with any christian theology. I'm not
asserting any general philosophical point, I was merely seeking to explicate
my understanding of that theology.



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