Thanks Roger - just what I've tried to say in the past: the 'science' that Pirsig takes against so, is exactly what Popper criticised for resting on too many unquestioned axioms, and which therefore is sometimes too 'sloppy' and..un-scientific! Incidentally, on another note: Almost anything can be an analogue computer for almost anything else, can't it? and: Wasn't the original idea of gravity bound up with notions of an 'unseen force', and therefore a hangover from the animism prevalent in ancient Greece? cheers all Peter Lennox Hardwick House tel: (0114) 2661509 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at: http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html